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Old 02-13-2018, 05:36 AM   #2686
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I fiercely hate Microsoft for their crappy and overly complicated OS, and I hate licensed software in general because the software is designed to impose limitations which can or cannot be overcome by purchasing more licenses. But the statement you cannot download ISO's anymore seems to be inaccurate.

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While I'll say that I don't like Windoze compared to well... just about any other system; I totally agree with everything you've said. You have my full respect, both as a person and for your technical ability's. Well said and well done.

All hail jlinkels!!!
 
Old 02-13-2018, 06:28 AM   #2687
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So what do you use now instead of Debian?
Why would I use something else than Debian? But unfortunately I earn money with supporting Windows systems.

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Old 02-13-2018, 06:40 AM   #2688
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Because you claim to hate crappy and overly complicated OSes. Don't tell me you managed to remove both the Debian bloat and systemd from Debian.
Microsoft's svchost is compact when compared to that.
 
Old 02-13-2018, 06:48 AM   #2689
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Because you claim to hate crappy and overly complicated OSes. Don't tell me you managed to remove both the Debian bloat and systemd from Debian.
Microsoft's svchost is compact when compared to that.
M$ Window$ has a LOT more bloat than ANY Linux distro does. systemd is Linux software, NOT Window$ software.
 
Old 02-13-2018, 06:51 AM   #2690
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$y$temd is a horrendous blob of crappy bloat, especially when compared to Windows. Lin$ux made a huge step back and lets Windows look like a race car when in direct comparison. Hearing "Micro$uck i$ $ooo bad!!!111" from $y$temd fanboys makes me want to purge my last non-Windows laptop as well just to get away from this all.

There is nothing more bloat than a $y$temd di$tro!
(Except macOS, that is.)

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Old 02-13-2018, 06:59 AM   #2691
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$y$temd is a horrendous blob of crappy bloat, especially when compared to Windows. Lin$ux made a huge step back and lets Windows look like a race car when in direct comparison. Hearing "Micro$uck i$ $ooo bad!!!111" from $y$temd fanboys makes me want to purge my last non-Windows laptop as well just to get away from this all.

There is nothing more bloat than a $y$temd di$tro!
(Except macOS, that is.)
Actually your wrong on most (maybe even all) counts.

I'm not a "systemd fanboy" for starters, it's an init system to me.

If you bother to do any real research, systemd only has to have a few modules to work. And as said in another thread, why are you using Linux ??
 
Old 02-13-2018, 07:01 AM   #2692
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I'm not a "systemd fanboy" for starters, it's an init system to me.
Then why do you defend it by attacking $y$temd-free operating systems in a ridiculous manner?

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systemd only has to have a few modules to work.
The point is that it won't just stick with the "few modules" (like which, except starting and stopping daemons?).
 
Old 02-13-2018, 07:05 AM   #2693
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$y$temd is a horrendous blob of crappy bloat, especially when compared to Windows. Lin$ux made a huge step back and lets Windows look like a race car when in direct comparison. Hearing "Micro$uck i$ $ooo bad!!!111" from $y$temd fanboys makes me want to purge my last non-Windows laptop as well just to get away from this all.

There is nothing more bloat than a $y$temd di$tro!
(Except macOS, that is.)
Although I don't see for which problem systemd has provided a solution so far I have not been bitten by any problem caused by systemd. And adding another program at startup by an init.d script is still easy as ever.

However, in Windows literally everything is complicated. From trying to enter Safe Mode in an unbootable system, to trying to log in if DNS is not running, to setting up a scheduled job, to repair Windows update, to change password rules, to set up a group policy.....

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Old 02-13-2018, 07:12 AM   #2694
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And adding another program at startup by an init.d script is still easy as ever.
Adding something to the $y$temd pile is not the issue. The issue is that $y$temd is already large enough. The only way to solve its problems would be replacing it which was already discussed before. The consensus (in 2015!) was that nobody should even try.

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in Windows literally everything is complicated.
Wrong.

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From trying to enter Safe Mode in an unbootable system
There are no unbootable systems as long as the hard disk is intact.

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to trying to log in if DNS is not running
Nobody forces you to use a non-local account.

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to setting up a scheduled job
Notably easier than remembering the bazillion crontab fields, IMO.

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to repair Windows update
One click away. But how do you repair your update when your precious dpkg-or-whatever stuff breaks?

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to change password rules, to set up a group policy.....
Both have had a decent GUI for two decades now. How about your crap OS?
 
Old 02-13-2018, 07:12 AM   #2695
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Then why do you defend it by attacking $y$temd-free operating systems in a ridiculous manner?
Did you not see my last post ?

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...systemd is Linux software, NOT Window$ software.
systemd is NOT for Windows or any other system, it's only for Linux (AFAIK - do you know different do ya?). Linux by itself is a kernel, not a complete OS.

BTW: Thanks for the reputation... maybe I should be a "lunatic" more often. I also find it "very funny" that someone (yourself) uses a Linux distro when they you hate Linux so much. And you attack people on a Linux forum for pointing out your BS. Real funny and bizarre at the same time.
 
Old 02-13-2018, 07:16 AM   #2696
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systemd is NOT for Windows or any other system, it's only for Linux
Which is obvious since it was modelled after Windows's superb svchost.exe, but then it escalated badly.

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pointing out your BS
Still waiting.
 
Old 02-13-2018, 03:35 PM   #2697
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..."Micro$uck i$ $ooo bad!!!111" from $y$temd fanboys...
Based on my experience since DOS 3.2 days, "Macro$uck i$ $ooo bad!!!" - and I'm anything BUT a "$y$temd fanboy".

Microsoft may be systemd free, but it's also GPL free and that's a deal breaker for my personal and my business use. As is their past history of the three "E"s.
 
Old 02-13-2018, 03:37 PM   #2698
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The GPL is one of the reasons to seriously dislike the unfree Linux IMO. The GPL is highly restrictive.
 
Old 02-17-2018, 02:23 PM   #2699
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You sound like a corporate lawyer...

A complaint about something open source is just laziness.
 
Old 02-20-2018, 11:32 AM   #2700
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windows is to linux as socialism is to self-governance
 
  


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