Because Shiny Things Are Fun - The New New Windows v Linux Thread

Originally Posted by UnixPhilosophy Hi, guys this is not meant to be a troll or flamebait (...)

Oh... no? Do you think LQ members are stupid? Please stop doing this again, you are not welcome.

To fellow LQ members: let's ignore this troll and his manipulative rants, before this thread becomes yet another stinky cesspit. We don't need this again, really.

Best wishes,
Philip

Someone who has been using BSD and Slackware (not Linux, but Slackware) since 1997 doesn't switch to Windows becasue of productivity reasons.

Considering your other posts (all 7 of them! since 1997) doesn't leave me another conclusion but you are a troll.

Since it is not against the LQ rules to provoke a flame discussion: happy trolling!

jlinkels

Why can't people just get on & use their systems without having to say stupid things!
If an O/S doesn't work for you - use another one!
F.O.S.S. is Free Open Source Software - I like that & I'm staying with it!
If you want to be held to ransome by a commercial O/S - that's fine by me!

Originally Posted by ReaperX7 Well, regardless of how anyone will feel about it, I figured I'd share the news that Greg Kroah-Hartman finally got kdbus added into the Linux-Next kernel. No idea if this will ever trickle down as -Next always has various stuff added and ripped out, but it is in the kernel now, so very soon, start making your decisions and be prepared to stick by them.

It is good that kdbus is happening in linux as an in kernel messaging api.

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Originally Posted by veerain It is good that kdbus is happening in linux as an in kernel messaging api.

Yes, but the motivations behind it are questionable due to the fact Lennart wants to kill netlink support in udev. The kernel has had it's own IPC, but people just want to reinvent the wheel just to reinvent it and not use existing stuff because they "feel" it's "broken".

The good thing is udev can be replaced to some extent and there are a few efforts to outright replace it.

And merged with the Linux vs Windows Megathread.

Originally Posted by ReaperX7 Yes, but the motivations behind it are questionable due to the fact Lennart wants to kill netlink support in udev. The kernel has had it's own IPC, but people just want to reinvent the wheel just to reinvent it and not use existing stuff because they "feel" it's "broken".

The motivations for doing something don't really matter that much when the outcome is something that benefits all. Yes, the Linux kernel had IPC before (though not fast IPC), but that doesn't mean we shouldn't look for better solutions if they are available. kdbus will benefit all aplications that rely have chosen to use DBUS for IPC and it will even benefit more once applications start to make use of its capabilities fully.

Originally Posted by jlinkels Someone who has been using BSD and Slackware (not Linux, but Slackware) since 1997 doesn't switch to Windows becasue of productivity reasons. Considering your other posts (all 7 of them! since 1997) doesn't leave me another conclusion but you are a troll. Since it is not against the LQ rules to provoke a flame discussion: happy trolling! jlinkels

Whatever, new jack newschool linux user. I started using Linux with Redhat Hurricane 5.0 in 1997 but I was no expert then. However, not long after I was installing and using Debian Slink. Back then Debian was much harder to install and use and even Linus Torvalds has said he stays away from such distributions because they are not userfriendly even though he says things in Debian have gotten better. Right now currently I mostly develop web pages in html5 and CSS3 among other things and while I find gvim better than notepad++ it isn't a deal breaker. Also, I never really made it a habit to post on linux forums but back in 1997 you could find me on Dalnet in the #linux channel and #2600 and #hackers but not with this nickname. That was back when dalnet and irc were popular. You see us old school geeks used things like IRC, usenet and mailing lists not so much internet forums. Even to this day mailing lists are the main form of communication in the *BSDs.

BTW, I will have two laptops functioning with OpenBSD and Windows. Right now only this laptop is functioning (with windows) but I need to fix my other laptop. It seems like I might need a new CMOS battery (I hope that is the only problem) as soon as I fix my laptop that will have OpenBSD on it. Both laptops will fulfill all my needs. I don't need the inferior piece of shit linux operating system for anything anymore.

In the beginning, Linux was pretty cool (I started using it then). It was free (always a plus), a moderately knowledgeable user base, and a funny mascot.

Then the pinheads arrived .

More and more I'm reading about and experiencing what I like to refer to as the "dumbing down of Linux".

Now you may say, "Well this is to be expected... Hell, look at the Windows user base." Yes that's true, but the Windows user base doesn't claim to be "l337", a "hax0r", or anything of the sort. Linux users do and often.


I have these simple beliefs:

1) The root partition should be small... painfully so.

2) /var is not for web servers or their content.

3) The kernel has one job: to keeping the system up, running and stable, not to serve web content - I don't care if it's faster from the kernel. (Tux web server anyone ?)

4) Really understanding IP and the applications built upon it is a requirement before you are "1337"

5) I don't care how fast something is, if it comes at the cost of security or stability it's stupid.

6) *BSD is the way. (Free, Open, or Net - pick one)

Lennart Poettering is a kraut genetic turnip peasant and shitty coder who has unleashed systemd which is the svhchost.exe of the linux world. Linus Torvalds is a fat loser. Fat people are lazy, incompetent and mentally weak. In contrast Theo De Raadt (of OpenBSD) stays physically healthy by biking and hiking. There are scientific studies that show that being overweight and obese degenerates your brain and scientific studies that show that cardiovascular exercise enhances you mentally and even grows new brain cells in the hippocampus region. Linus' mentally deficient state can be seen in the name he has chosen for the latest kernel "Hurr derr I'm Sheep" that kind of fatuous stuff can only come from or be ok'd by a mentally deficient person. In fact Linux sucks so bad that Linus Torvalds admits that his family members use Windows. Think about it that for a second and let it sink in.

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Originally Posted by TobiSGD If you value Open Source UNIX systems then it is non-sensical to come here and promote Windows or OS X, since none of them is an open source UNIX system. Also, if you value open source UNIX systems the just use them, just because you don't like Linux doesn't mean it has to be destroyed. It doesn't make sense to promote the destruction of an open source software, if you are not satisfied how the development works then fork or create an alternative. And how again do you follow your own recommendation to help PC-BSD with using Windows instead?

I didn't really promote windows per se and at least OSX is unix unlike Linux. Fork and create an alternative ? My time is too valuable for that unless you guys want to pay me. The fact is I have pointed out a technical problem with linux and Theo has criticized Linux code quality but instead of the linux people stepping back and saying "This is garbage and we should fix it" you'll just keep adding to it and using it. I'm just one man and there is no way I can fix all the shitty code in linux alone. I will use OpenBSD and Windows but I will promote PC-BSD without using it but I will not promote OpenBSD. OpenBSD users unlike Linux users are advanced computer users almost buy definition and unlike linux people we don't care if we take over the world or not and OpenBSD people really don't care if you use their software or not.

Originally Posted by TobiSGB Did it ever occur to you that Linux is an independent OS and does not have to be like Windows or UNIX, but maybe just wants to be Linux?

Well Linux started out as a clone of Unix so it won't ever completely shake off that baggage. Unix is unique in that it wasn't designed as a commercial operating system meant to run applications but as a hacker's toolset by and for programmers. In fact an early release of the Unix was called PWB (Programmer's Work Bench). You see Unix is userfriendly it is just picky about its friends. What you Linux retards are trying to do is combine windows usability with Unix functionality but what you end up with is an inferior half-assed operating system that neither appeals to normal users nor technical users because you are in the limbo zone somewhere between (hedging or fence sitting) not to mention trying to mix unix and windows design models is disaster technically as we can see with the inferior modern linux operating system. So yeah Linux is its own OS some kind of hybrid beast of windows design model and the unix design model that is neither good at being unix or windows.

Originally Posted by TobiSD Anyways, your post doesn't make much sense, you are basically saying: Linux wants to be more like Windows. I hate that, so I switch to Windows. As I see it, this whole thread is just meant as flamebait and I have to ask all LQ members to watch out and not to fall for it.

I don't hate windows I just like unix better generally speaking. Also it does make sense I can get the full Unix experience with OpenBSD and the full windows experience with Windows so I will run both. Why should I run Linux and get a half-assed experience ?

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fwiw: On my lightly-traveled websites, linux is steadily gaining ground over windows. A few years ago, windows was over 90 percent of my traffic (counting only real human persons, not counting robots nor my own hits). Now under 60 percent. Linux visitors were too few to count (something like 0.1 percent, now around 15 percent. IE was around 65 or 70 percent; now less than 7 percent. The above trend is especially true for visitors from Latin America, due in large measure to the popularity of android phones down south. O, and i recently saw laptops for sale in Managua (Nicaragua) with Ubuntu installed instead of Windows. And a new shop opened up here in Jinotega selling computers with no OS. They will install Windows or Ubuntu upon request (for a small fee), or just let the buyer install the OS of his own choice. So i expect the above trend to continue.

Originally Posted by UnixPhilosophy Lennart Poettering is a kraut genetic turnip peasant and shitty coder who has unleashed systemd which is the svhchost.exe of the linux world. Linus Torvalds is a fat loser. Fat people are lazy, incompetent and mentally weak. In contrast Theo De Raadt (of OpenBSD) stays physically healthy by biking and hiking. There are scientific studies that show that being overweight and obese degenerates your brain and scientific studies that show that cardiovascular exercise enhances you mentally and even grows new brain cells in the hippocampus region. Linus' mentally deficient state can be seen in the name he has chosen for the latest kernel "Hurr derr I'm Sheep" that kind of fatuous stuff can only come from or be ok'd by a mentally deficient person. In fact Linux sucks so bad that Linus Torvalds admits that his family members use Windows.

You're a relatively new member to this forum so leniency on our side is a given. An opinion you may have (and voice) however the above does is not in line with the conduct we expect from LQ members. Please don't post hateful or insulting messages, personal attacks or try to start a flame war or post if you don't have anything constructive to say. You're welcome to stay and discuss things on their technical merits.

Originally Posted by UnixPhilosophy what I was saying is basically that Linux is being dumbed down making it harder for technical people, like myself, to use.

Not all distros are dumb down for the average user like Mint, pclinuxos, ubuntu, zorin and others are.

There are still some distros aim for intermediate to advance users like LFS ( linux from scratch ), Gentoo, Crux, slackware and Arch.

You are comparing linux to other operating systems which is not linux's fault.

Linux is NOT windows.
Linux is NOT any of the BSDs
Linux is NOT a MAC

Linux is it's own thing, with pros and cons like any other operating system out there.

And LASTLY, linux is NOT for everyone. Have a good day.