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Old 01-29-2005, 03:26 PM   #61
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Hi all,

Satimis, you can download them from http://sf.net/projects/scim.

To kngharv, IIIMF or SCIM? You're right, Linux/OSS is all about choice, that's true - I myself use SCIM, I installed it from source code in Slackware 10 and all I can say about that is "Wow! Works great!"

But if I was the developer of SCIM I would be fairly proud of that, too, it is a "Great Leap Forward**" for Chinese inputting (and every other non-Latin language). It should be promoted to users in forums such as this, it really is the best available (and believe me, I've tried all sorts of things with a Chinese input in Linux setup!)

cheers,

jdw

**Hope it is a bit more successful than the 1959 version...
 
Old 01-30-2005, 05:57 AM   #62
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Hi JDW,

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Satimis, you can download them from http://sf.net/projects/scim.
Tks for your URL.

I have following packages downloaded;
skim-1.0.2-3fc3.i386.rpm
scim-1.1.2-1fc3.i386.rpm
scim-chinese-0.4.2-1fc3.i386.rpm
scim-devel-1.1.2-1fc3.i386.rpm
scim-pinyin-0.5.0-1fc3.i386.rpm
scim-qtimm-0.7.5-1fc3.i386.rpm
scim-tables-0.5.0-1fc3.i386.rpm
scim-tables-additional-0.5.0-1fc3.i386.rpm
scim-tables-zh-0.5.0-1fc3.i386.rpm
scim-uim-0.1.3-4fc3.i386.rpm

I'm running
$ rpm -qa | grep scim
scim-1.0.2-1fc3
on my FedoraCore2 box

Please advise;
1) Whether I have to erase 'scim-1.0.2-1fc3' and install all above packages except 'skim-1.0.2-3fc3.i386.rpm'

2) what will the use of following packages;
scim-tables-0.5.0-1fc3.i386.rpm
scim-tables-additional-0.5.0-1fc3.i386.rpm
scim-tables-zh-0.5.0-1fc3.i386.rpm
scim-uim-0.1.3-4fc3.i386.rpm

TIA

B.R.
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Old 01-30-2005, 02:51 PM   #63
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1) I think "rpm -Uvh scim-1.1.2*" would upgrade the existing package.

2) I'm pretty sure you only need scim, scim-pinyin and scim-tables if you just want Chinese...
scim-pinyin is a replacement for the scim-chinese package...

jdw
 
Old 01-31-2005, 03:43 AM   #64
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Hi JDW,

Tks for your advice.

Quote:
1) I think "rpm -Uvh scim-1.1.2*" would upgrade the existing package.
Ran
# rpm -Uvh scim-1.1.2-1fc3.i386.rpm

It went through without complaint.

$ rpm -qa | grep scim
scim-1.1.2-1fc3

$ XMODIFIERS=@im=SCIM LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.big5 kedit
$ XMODIFIERS=@im=SCIM LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.big5 gedit
$ XMODIFIERS=@im=SCIM LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.big5 ~/OpenOffice.org1.1.2/program/swriter

all evoked
kedit
gedit
OOoWriter
respectively.

But I can only input Chinese on gedit, [Ctrl]+[Space] having function switching befween English input and Chinese input and [Ctrl]+[Shift] swtiching input methods respectively. The situation is the same as before upgrading scim.

Please help. I have been trying SCIM for 2 weeks without result. TIA

[B]
Quote:
2) I'm pretty sure you only need scim, scim-pinyin and scim-tables if you just want Chinese...
scim-pinyin is a replacement for the scim-chinese package.../B]
What are
scim-uim-0.1.3-4fc3.i386.rpm
skim-1.0.2-3fc3.i386.rpm
scim-qtimm-0.7.5-1fc3.i386.rpm

for???

TIA

B.R.
satimis
 
Old 01-31-2005, 02:41 PM   #65
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Hi,

SCIM uses unicode, so change your LC_CTYPE variable to :-

zh_CN.UTF-8

and make sure you are using a unicode locale LANG setting as well...

skim is a KDE variant, I think scim-uim are additional input methods for other languages, and I am not sure about scim-qtimm - obviously sth. to do with Qt though...but the normal scim package works in Gtk and KDE environments...

hope this helps...

jdw
 
Old 01-31-2005, 07:29 PM   #66
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Hi all,
If you encountered any issues when using SCIM, you may ask for help on SCIM Maillist. Please visit http://www.scim-im.org for details. If you want to subscribe to maillists directly, please visit:

http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scim-devel
http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/scim-user

This thread is not suitable for discussing SCIM issues.

Regards
James Su
 
Old 01-31-2005, 09:25 PM   #67
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Hi JDW,

Tks for your advice.

Quote:
SCIM uses unicode, so change your LC_CTYPE variable to :-

zh_CN.UTF-8

and make sure you are using a unicode locale LANG setting as well...
Sorry, neither
$ XMODIFIERS=@im=SCIM LC_CTYPE=zh_CN.UTF-8 kedit
NOR
$ XMODIFIERS=@im=SCIM LC_CTYPE=zh_TW.UTF-8 kedit
can help. It only worked on gedit

On KDE Control Center
-> Regional & Accessibility -> Country/Region & Language -> Locale -> Languages
Add Languages
only 3 available, English US, Simplified Chines, Chinese.

No Unicode available there.

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Old 01-31-2005, 09:44 PM   #68
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Hi suzhe,

Tks for your advice.

Quote:
..........
..........
This thread is not suitable for discussing SCIM issues
I have been subscribing "scim-user" for a while. My problem is still pending there. Therefore I started searching around for a solution.

IIIMF also got the same problem, having difficulty in inputing Chinese on kedit, OOoWriter, etc. except gedit. Fo such a reason I started migrating to SCIM

B.R.
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Old 01-31-2005, 09:54 PM   #69
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Hi,

I've subscribed at scim-im.org now too, thanks suzhe...

Just to finish off this thread, satimis, are you launching the application (e.g. oowriter) from the same terminal seesion that you set your locale in? If you launch it from the KDE (or Gnome etc.) graphical menu, the input will not work because it will use the default locale settings of your graphical environment...

cheers...

jdw
 
Old 02-03-2005, 07:36 PM   #70
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so, how do I make foreign language work under en_US locale?

Quote:
Originally posted by JDW
Just to finish off this thread, satimis, are you launching the application (e.g. oowriter) from the same terminal seesion that you set your locale in? If you launch it from the KDE (or Gnome etc.) graphical menu, the input will not work because it will use the default locale settings of your graphical environment...
jdw
I have a related question. I use en_US.UTF-8 locale for the system/graphical environment in KDE or GNOME, and I'd like to use Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Latin input method. But the gnome-im-switcher-applet does not show any foreign language options.

If I change .i18n to have LANG=Asian language, gnome-im-switcher shows all CJK languages as options to choose. But the system language is also set to the Asian language (menu, etc.) which I don't want. I still want all English menus, etc. How would I do that?

As a side, how do I make iiimf allow multiple languages input at the same time in KDE? gnome-im-switcher-applet cannot run in KDE, so there is no way to choose one of several languages on the fly. I can only do this in GNOME, but I use mostly KDE.

Also, why doesn't dead keys work in Fedora Core 3 to enter accented characters such as French? I tried English US keyboard and US international keyboard with different results, but none satisfactory: One doesn't even show ` or ' characters and the next letter just shows as-is without accent, while the other just shows key presses as-is.

I use Fedora Core 3. Basically, I want to be able to write most Asian languages and European/American languages in one document, but still retain 100% English GUI.
 
Old 02-03-2005, 08:53 PM   #71
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Hi,

simple answer - use SCIM (Smart Chinese Input Method...type "scim" in the LQ search bar and there are many posts with instructions on how to set it up...

it allows you to do multiple languages in the one document, and you can keep the English menus on everything by exporting LC_ALL to en_US.UTF-8.

mind you, I haven't tried this in FC3 yet...I've seen some people complain that they cannot use scim in Open Office.

cheers,

jdw
 
Old 02-03-2005, 09:09 PM   #72
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SCIM

I'm a great supporter of SCIM as it works absolutly perfect on all my redhat ws3 installations, it is even better than that used in windows, but in Fedora FC3 it is just not working, in OpenOffice, StarOffice & Mozilla 1.7.5 with GTK you can not use SCIM, what ever you do, also when I installed SCIM on two different machines one which is a Compay 2200 notebook, and the other a normal PC with P4 2.4Ghz, both with Fedora FC3 installed, in both cases after installing SCIM from RPM or source the same problems, with Mozilla & OpenOffice & StarOffice, other applications works correct with SCIM, buthere is the real strange thing, after re-booting both machines hangs on start of X, and if you press ctrl + c then the machine boots normally.
I'm now trying with RHEL4 Beta2, but I'm not sure if that will work like redhat ws3, as redhat RHEL4 beta2 looks identicial to Fedora FC3.
I will let you know the result.
 
Old 02-04-2005, 04:40 PM   #73
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Cool

Why no one's talked about fcitx? I like it , because I like its way to input. It's very much like PinYinJiaJia in XP, Space to input the first character, left and right shift to input the other two, and enter to input english. I'll switch to scim if scim can support this way of inputing. I have to set LC_CTYPE to zh_CN to use fcitx. It's very attractive to me that scim can be used in en_US.UTF8.
 
Old 02-04-2005, 11:10 PM   #74
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TO mp55, I see that you are using Fedora FC3, please let me know how you get on with SCIM in FC3 ?

In redhat enterprise linux it works much better than that of windows XP, in my office we have more than 30 computers, where about 25 are linux based, and they all are using redhat with SCIM, all Chinese staff, and they love SCIM, but in Fedora FC3 some problems, perhaps only on our systems.
 
Old 02-06-2005, 12:51 AM   #75
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hi awtoc123, I said "I will switch to scim if scim ...", so I'm not using scim on my FC3 now. I'm using fcitx instead. Just do a goolge with "fedora core 3 scim" and search only in chinese, you'll find a lot of posts on how to install scim in fc3. I generally followed this,
Code:
make a new file /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/scim like this
XIM=SCIM
XMODIFIERS=@im=SCIM
GTK_IM_MODULE=scim
XIM_PROGRAM=scim
XIM_ARGS="-d"

then ln -sf /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/scim /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/zh_CN

for fcitx make a file /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/fcitx
XMODIFIERS="@im=fcitx"
XIM=fcitx
XIM_PROGRAM=fcitx

then ln -sf /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/fcitx /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/zh_CN
I followed the fcitx part and it works. I didn't try the scim part.
BTW, my locale is english so I have to set LC_CTYPE to zh_CN to use fcitx. SCIM can work under en_US.UTF8 so you probably need to change your locale to en_US.UTF8. Never mind if you are using chinese locale.
 
  


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