I wonder which software the upcoming AmigoXP comes with. What packages do the folks want?

Is Opera still included or is Firefox or Mozilla included as default? What about text processing, messenger (amsn or gaim?), picture viewing and so on. What about download size of the new Amigo?

Is it going to be low on system resources or is it directed against more modern computers?

I know everyone can install their own packages, but maybe we need some download directory to get optional Amigo packages ready to install.

My ideal Amigo installation should include internet browser, text processing, picture viewing, mail, printing software (turboprint - easy to use), messenger, some small xgames, and internationalization (glibc-i18n...). I think newcomers want some easy to get going doc's on the desktop, to accomplish basic things as internet setup. The rest of Amigo is just GREAT!

This is just my thoughts. What are your opinions?

Firefox as default browser would be great...

i am right with you on the rest, as long as it stays kind of small and light on system resources i'm happy...

Just like Kuroyume said, but I would also be VERY glad to see FluxBox as the winman instead of Window maker

Also my sis complains about the complicated way of putting new icons either to the desktop or the... hmm... dock-app bar? I would write a tool for this myself but I'm a bit too lazy. :P Oh well... Maybe I will do it, and if I do I'll try to contribute it to Amigo.

Glad you started this thread. For a while I haven't mentioned AmigoXP, not wanting to lose time answering questions about it. I've had a blast the last 3 months trying out LOTS of programs, even some KDE stuff.
AmigoXP is built around Slackware 10.0, but includes even more programs than before, that are not available in Slackware.

The need to be able to run Firefox was the first goal, along with running the latest ROX-Filer.
So, these and nearly ANY decent, modern program needs gtk+2, which requires atk, pango and glib2. To run without errors it needs glibc which is large. Since glibc is what is used for compiling progs, I include gcc, and as long as we are there, gcc++ and gcc-obj(for compiling windowmaker)

Browsers Firefox and Opera will both be included, as well as dillo.
E-mail - thunderbird, sylpheed(the little one), opera m3
Abiword word processor and gnumeric spreadsheet work, though I have'nt figured out how to get help working.
A light office suite is also available SIAG, which includes WP and spreadsheet - quite crude, but only 5MB including a GIF animator.

Windowmaker and fluxbox are both included, as well as mwm and oroborox (the ROX WM). Still looking for just the right one... The ROX panel doesn't get along with wmaker, but I really like the wmaker DOCK and, even more, the GUI config and especially menu-building. I DO have ROX-pinboard desktop and wmaker working beatutifully together, now.
BTW this is the new wmaker 0.91 with anti-aliased fonts and the new fluxbox also.
Candidates:
Ghost view and xpdf for pdf viewing.
xpaint, IV, GQView, mtpaint, tile-driller for graphics and I've compiled a little paint program for kids called tux-paint.
I've setup libs and tried progs that use many libs, including Athena widgets, WxWidgets, FOX libs and of course all the gtk2 stuff and python for ROX.
Internationalization is coming, but will need more help from users for that.
The desktop help documents were actually implemented a bit in Amigo-1.0 and then got pushed aside for awhile. The should form the biggest part of the user-friendliness, along with a few utilities to help with configuration tasks. (no simple task to build a desktop with any cohesiveness -without just installing KDE or gnome). The help documents are CRITICAL, but writing them depends on a fairly stable core-software selection. All this is to be accompanied by Amigo ToolBox, which will pull a lot of common sysadmin tasks into one menu (written in dialog so that it will run from CLI also).
XMMS, Xine?
Gaim AMSN
LOTS of decisions to be made. The first push is towards a true mid-sized distro, say in the 700-900MB range, but with all the basics installed, plus lots of libs that let a user drop nearly anything in and have the depends already taken care of. AmigoXP is designed for easy use with Windows XP or W2k, so the minimum hardware is probably low-end PII (developed on a PII 333MhZ 292MB RAM). A smaller, lighter version would follow -I've found quite a few nice gtk1 progs along the way, including these file managers:
gentoo, gtk_file_manager, worker, endeavourII

Hope to get more input from all of you.

if you need a better way to place icons on the desktop try iDesk ... i installed it yesterday, along with a small config utility and it works great... it even has some eye candy without being too heavy... (i just installed fluxbox and iDesk and now my screen looks awesome )

also, if you include fluxbox, you might want to add a few fluxbox configuration utlities, wich can be found on the fluxbox download page...

a way to print would be good, since i have heard that printing is not a n easy task on linux...

i assume that when you say you need help with internationalization you mean translation, so i could help you with the spanish version (i am a native spanish speaker)...

also, i can help with documetation... since i am always trying new stuff, i've had to solve a lot of problems...

Current work has been toward a very ROX-ified desktop, combined with windowmaker. Unfortunately, the rox panel doesn't like wmaker. Windowmaker will let you switch to fluxbox 'on the fly'. ROX works GREAT with flux, but I think the manual configruation of fluxbox is beyond many. I'd be glad for you to work out a good standard desktop configuration using flux, as it will be included. I'd like to offer 2-3 pre-configured desktops, using different window mangers. The ROX pinboard with the new ROX-filer has some powerful features.
Spanish, huh? De donde, pues? I lived 15 years in Mexico and one of the original ideas for Amigo was to make it Latin America friendly, since I could do the translations, at least roughly.

Kuroyume and ROOKIE ONE, can you both e-mail me at amigo@ibiblio.org about joining the Amigo team. SKRUF_MAN has just recently agreed to join forces. I'm going to start a WIKI scratchpad where we can make plans.

I should mention this: It doesn't look like it if you look at the stats on these pages, but around 1,000 people download Amigo each month! Less than 1% of them ever post here or write for support. HMMMM...

de Chile... al final de sudamerica...

WOW!!! You want me 2 join Amigo? Kool! :] If you're certain of that... Man, I'm in!

How about having a separate zipfile "base" system (amigoXp.zip) plus separately downloadable Amigo-optimized extensions ??

gnashley wrote :
This means that the "base" system will be larger than a 90MB amigoX.zip download. The larger the zipfile, the longer the download, so the upcoming AmigoXp excludes many dial-up users or those without larger GB hdd's for containing the larger gcc..., glib... and gtk+....
Live-CD distro's such as Slax and DamnSmallLinux do an interesting thing; their "base" systems for their live-cd's are expandable by separate downloads, including separate downloads such as Firefox.

Slax has its compressed "modules" at http://slax.linux-live.org/modules.php

DamnSmallLinux has its myDSL application extensions at http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/dis...all/mydsl/apps
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Glad you are still watching, Ace.
Amigo is approaching system extensibility in several ways, but this will not involve the creation of a new pkg format, at least as far as I can see. The ROX desktop I am building makes extensive use of AppDirs and I may use zero install as well. Also, 'recipes' or whatever they call them will be used for installation of stuff, like macromedia plugins, RealPlayer or other stuff which can't be distributed.
I am also working with some dependency checking software that just gives info. NOT auto-update/upgrade.

The next release is meant to be a mid-size distro, mostly based on GTK+2, heavy Python, which will then be put on a 'diet' later. I'm still searching for great gtk+1 software for this. I have gotten the old gtk1 ROX desktop going better than in Amigo-2.0 recently. It really flies on my 233MHz PI!

From the first I wanted to provide each release version in more than one download format, so that users installing alongside Linux or on a fresh machine would have an easier time of it. Time considerations have always made that difficult, but financial considerations rule it out completely.
I have to get the user base to help out a bit -my wife pays my internet bill, and our new son gets priority.
I have lots of 'extra' pkgs for AmigoXP, XF and X?, all ready to upload when I can afford bandwidth.
AmigoXP is to be made available on CD, for a small price(beta version). This will allow nearly anyone to get it. feedback from this will help decide what goes into the final version.
My hope is to continue to provide a fairly up-to-date small system, designed for light hardware, available for free download. But I need help from the user base to do that. I still need more players to make a team, (hint, hint).

Hello there!
I've been using Amigo Linux for the past couple of months. Now I've heard that you guys are going to release AmigoXP. It's a great news. You can also use XPde as an additional desktop environment. It is cool and lightweight. You can also try to release an extended version which includes KDE or Gnome. Also try to make sound support available (I had to tinker a lot for that). All the best.

See a new thread with a posting of a proposed package list.
BTW, so the others will know this, Deepak received his copy of Amigo on a CD that was distributed in the Linux4You magazine in India last July or August.
Deepak, can you look at /etc/amigo-version and tell me what version you got?

Oh, well... I wouldn't say that... I tried it and I must say it's ugly, really slow and most of the functions don't work (I still can't get the start menu working and I've been trying to do so for a month!). It's still in a VERY early development stage and is almost unusable... It has a big obstacle on its way - it's build in Kylix, which is abandoned since quite a long time and programs compiled in it usually work slower than e.g. those built in FreePascal & Lazarus.

To summarise, it's too early to consider XPde as a stand-alone, fullly functional WM. If you want the windoze XP look and feel, fetch IceWM and the SilverXP theme - my friends always get fooled by that.

Another case here where a little Amigo 'philosophy' fits. I don't try to make linux LOOK like windows or even act like it. That would be dishonest anyway -how could we accurately re-create the wonderful effects of the Windows BOSD window manager?
As we progress, and you get a glimpse and taste of how this new desktop works, you'll see why and how I think we might approach this.
Amigo is aiming at people who have little or no computer experience at all. Ever think about what THAT takes? What about a desktop for someone who can't read?
Don't think that I'm criticizing or rejecting whatever you say. Just trying to guide your thinking a little so you can give me MORE ideas.

I have been reading through this post and i am a bit puzzled.
Are you going to make Amigo 2 and Amigo XP or are you moving towards only Amigo XP?