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Old 04-04-2005, 06:50 AM   #76
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jpackage is java developement stuff like ant. Only needed if your going to compile any java programs/source.


And why plf went to some crazy split between free and non-free is beyond me. You can still download from both.
 
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Old 04-06-2005, 03:26 PM   #77
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Thanks for a great description on installing both .rpm and tar.gz. I think I will find this info very useful to put into practise for a long long time.
 
Old 04-12-2005, 11:57 AM   #78
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Hi.
Hope this is the correct thread (as this is my first posting, as a complete newbie to Linux).
As an expert Windows user (and therefore MS hater), I decided to try MandrakeLinux 10.0.
My first impressions were mixed - impressed with user friendliness and possibilites, but dissapointed that my trusty laser printer is catagorised as 'paper weight'!
I totally agree with motub's posting about lack of info on RPMDrake and software installation generally, and was therefore well chuffed to find those instructions.
And thus to my problem: I followed the instructions, but after pasting the line from Easy URPMI, get the following error...

ftp://mandrake.lcpe.uni-sofia.bg/plf...sis.hdlist2.cz
...retrieving failed: curl: (7) Connect failed

I checked the security level (standard), and firewall (not turned on - I know, bad idea ;-) ).
I have an ADSL connection, and can surf without problems.
Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
 
Old 05-11-2005, 06:48 AM   #79
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Hey Motub, thanks alot for that guide!
But I have one question, a small one.
When selecting what Mandrake distro I have, there's no alternative for Mandrake 10.2.
I've downloaded my from Sunet, and everything I know about it is that it 10.2(rc).
Is it possible to use the 10.1 alternative? Or perhaps the 2005?

Cheers
 
Old 05-11-2005, 09:52 AM   #80
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As far as I know, there is no Mandrake/Mandriva 10.2. 2005LE is what was going to be 10.2 before Mandrake bought Connectiva and changed its name, and at that time the release changed its name as well (from "Mandrake 10.2" to "Mandriva 2005 Limited Edition").

So using 2005 should be the correct thing to do.

Oh, and, "you're welcome"
 
Old 05-11-2005, 11:16 AM   #81
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Thanks alot mate, downloading everything I can now!
I hope I won't get to many error-messages again...

But, so long, so good, and I'm planning to keep it this way

Cheers

Edit:
So long, so far? My english really sucks... So far, so good? :P

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Old 05-23-2005, 12:51 PM   #82
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I have allready tryed Red Hat and Mepis but the best for me is Mandrak ( Mandriva). I Am beginer and I don't understand all. So pls help me. I installed realplayer and helix but I don't find the file to run the programs. Somebody know how to to find them. Thank you !
anuro

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Old 05-23-2005, 03:07 PM   #83
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Have you looked in your menu ? Under "Multimedia"?



The alternative would be to open a terminal and type "RealPlayer" or "helix" (without the quotes) and hit the Enter key. If you do it this way, the program will close when you close the terminal. If you want to close the terminal (or use it for other commands without closing the program), type

"RealPlayer &"

or

"helix &"

again without the quotes around them.

Hope this helps,
 
Old 05-23-2005, 06:00 PM   #84
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There is what I did on the terminal. As you can see it I did not found the program...

[admin@localhost admin]$ realplayer&
[1] 17059
[admin@localhost admin]$ bash: realplayer: command not found
realplayer
bash: realplayer: command not found
[1]+ Exit 127 realplayer
[admin@localhost admin]$ realplayer &
bash: realplayer: command not found
[1] 17112
[1] Exit 127 realplayer
[admin@localhost admin]$ helix
bash: helix: command not found
[admin@localhost admin]$
___________________________________________
anuro
 
Old 05-23-2005, 06:54 PM   #85
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I've checked both my Gentoo system (where I have RealPlayer installed), as well as the contents of the RPM available on the real.com site, and the binary name appears to be

realplay

rather than

realplayer

Try that instead.
 
Old 05-23-2005, 09:47 PM   #86
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Thank you very much motub ! I got it. It was realplay and not realplayer. I found the path to ( I did chortcuts...) ; / usr/bin/realplay and helix run on terminal with "hxplay" and the path was the same.

Thank's again motub.
anuro
 
Old 05-24-2005, 06:11 AM   #87
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Glad to hear it-- and glad you found Helix; I don't have it installed, so I wouldn't know the binary name.

That kind of stinks, though-- if the Helix developers are going to have a 'non-intuitive' binary name like "hxplay" (I certainly wouldn't have guessed that), they really should take some care that the application appears on the main KDE or GNOME menu after installation. It's hard to maintain a good impression of a program that immediately disappears into the bowels of your system (and without even leaving a trail of breadcrumbs) after you've taken the time to install it.

But I hope that the program(s) works well enough for you to overcome the first impression.
 
Old 05-29-2005, 03:16 AM   #88
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back to newbs and urpmi

motub,

Just want to let you know that I agree with the philosophy of "demanding" that the linux community be more responsible and forthcoming in its help to newbies.
Recalling my mechanical engineering days in college, I can tell you that scientific and engineering people may be brilliant in their fields, but most of them are HORRIBLE communicators. I knew a guy that could NOT describe an automotive engine piston for the life of him, but could describe all the angular momentums and vector differentials in blistering detail. Anyway......the same goes for most "computer" documentation and I'm afraid that the linux community has a tendency to fall into that trap occasionally.

Example......being new to linux, I expected it to take several days to get a modem installed and internet connected. Wrong.......I still was not online after A MONTH. At first I thought it was due to lack of brain cells on my part, but after googling and being online for three weeks, I realized that nowhere on ANY of the "OFFICIAL" linux modem sites (which shall remain nameless) was there any mention that:
1. AOL required a special dialer
2. The best method for dialup is an external serial hdwr modem
3. That Kppp could be used to configure the modem (I was directed to use minicom!!)
4. There was TONS and TONS and TONS of info about software vs. hdwr modems but NOT ONE tutorial on how to dwnload and install the drivers.
5. I could not find in ANY tutorial on how, why, when, or where the kernel sources were, how to get them, how to load them and why they were needed before loading the drivers.
6. .........on and on and on............

Obviously, this information was out there, but it took an inordinate amount of time to locate, usually stumbling across it in a post somewhere.
It should have been IN YOUR FACE, up front, plain to see........ in a tutorial. To this day, I don't think I have seen a tutorial, with screenshots that explains how to fill in the Kppp interface and how to setup the modem init strings.

More importantly, much of the advice that is given, is done so with absolutely no clue as to the CONTEXT of the command.............consequently the newbie DOES NOT LEARN Linux in a big picture sense, but merely stumbles thru, only learning the specific "heiroglyphic" for that specific function on that specific day.

Considering that the internet is one of the best ways, and in many cases, the only way to promote and spread linux around the planet, it is I-N-C-R-E-D-U-L-O-U-S to me that there are practically no distro specific tutorials, with screenshots, about internet connection, PLASTERED all over EVERY SINGLE linux forum known to mankind!!!!

Well........that's just me.


Thanks for the tips
 
Old 05-29-2005, 08:46 AM   #89
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Well said, Trio3b... but here's another aspect of my "philosophy" that I hope you will agree with:

If one cares enough to rant about an issue, one cares enough to pitch in to solve it-- and it's in fact hypocritical not to pitch in and help, but rather to continue to rant for "someone else" to solve the problem.

Not that I'm accusing you personally of being hypocritical-- no such thing. This is a symptom of the major mindset change that "must" occur for one to successfully migrate from Windows use to being a member of the Linux community, and a necessity as big as changing your mind often takes time to be recognized (both in this area, and in life in general).

The keyword here is self-reliance-- something that Windows use actively drills out of you, and Linux use actively encourages.

In the Linux community, things get done because some community member saw a need for something to get done, and cared enough to expend the effort to do it. URPMI is, afaik, a community-created resource, generated by one person, not a Mandrake-sponsored one. Essential informational resources ranging from the LQ Wiki, Tutorials, and HCL, to the HOW-TOs on the TLDP, LinuxNovice.org, and TuxFiles.org, not to mention DistroWatch, as well as such special-interest resources as the Wine application Database, the new Wine Wiki, Frank's Corner, linmodems.org, linuxprinting.org, and even rute, which contains answers to pretty much any question you might ever ask about Linux (it's a book, both literally and figuratively)-- all exist because somebody took the time to publish what they know.

Some of us know a lot about everything (like Paul Shear, author of rute). Some of us know a lot about just one area (printing, linmodems). Some of us know about just one piece of hardware and how to get it working under just one distribution (because we succeeded in doing so on our own box). Some of us don't know about any of this, but know how to read and understand the technobabble that many find so objectionable, and translate it into understandable form for the less-technologically minded.

But the beauty of the Linux community is that it doesn't matter how much or how little you know. If you know something-- almost anything at all that you see people here and on other forums or mailing lists asking about, or if you have the skill to explain some "geeky" previous response to a first-time poster so that they understand what the Guru said-- then your contribution is valuable, and it is the 'duty' of a good and responsible community member to make that contribution.

This is the glue that makes us a community, and not just a loose collection of users, as we were in the Windows world. We build our habitat ourselves; we don't just live in what someone else built for us (and pay for the privilege).

The point being (in case you haven't guessed ):

If you can create such a tutorial-- with screenshots -- for even one distro, then do it. Put it up on your personal webspace, and use a lot of keywords so Google or Google Linux will find it. Make friends with somebody with a domain and let them host it for you. Put the link in your sig so people see it. Send an email to the maintainer of (for example) Linmodems.org, so they can put it on their links page (if they have one; I don't have a modem, so I'm not that familiar with the site). Send an article to DesktopLinux.com, a tutorial to Tuxfiles.org, and/or an article to TUX Magazine-- this would be right up their alley, being an online magazine for new Linux users.

Get the screenshots up on LinuxBeta.com. Write a how-to and post it on the TLDP, LinuxLookup.com, LinuxNovice.org, JustLinux, and of course LQ Tutorials, and the LQ Wiki.

Talk to users of other distributions (via mailing lists, forums, LUGs) who know how to do the same for their distro, and add their tutorials to yours for a more rounded approach.

Heck, you could even run an entire Mandrake newbie site; all of my links to same (MandrakeXperience, Desktop Mandrake, MUO) are dead (OK, the MUO isn't exactly dead, but doesn't seem to be an actively updated resource), and it certainly seems needful if even a little HOW-TO like mine is still generating responses after almost a year (which I will use as my excuse why I still haven't added the text to the Wiki or Tutes page; the thread keeps coming up to the top of the heap, so thus far there has been no danger of it disappearing. Yes, I know that's thin. I've been busy).

Anyway, you've had your rant (everybody gets one free rant with membership ), and now "you" (generic you) have to back it up, or you (still generic) look like a whiner instead of a productive member of the community. And no one wants that; it's like being chum in shark-infested waters. Whiners will be eaten alive (and are, on a daily basis). So don't whine, work .

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Old 05-29-2005, 10:42 AM   #90
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Well, at least I buckled down and submitted the HOW-To, anyway. Last thing I'd want to be accused of is "do as I say, not as I do" .
 
  


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