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Old 11-17-2004, 09:58 AM   #1
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Angry 10.1 Issues. Wine, webcam,mozilla.....


Since installing 10.1 Official (twice now) I have been unable to get 'wine' to work as it did in 10.0 (effortless and ran great). Is the newest wine broken or is it MDK not installing it properly? Wine web sites don't want to bother with answering my questions.

I have been unable to get a single web cam to work. I am told the older and cheaper web cams will work with some work compiling and installing some modules. I have an old web cam that worked under 9.0 (did not need any compiling or installing modules) but it will not work now. I have a newer one (VEO) and it does not work either.

Mozilla and several other programs seem like they do not update correctly (not 'update' as in package update). They will not "remember" passwords, highlight links that I have been to, or any number of other associated tasks that I have always just used as they have always been there. Several programs (not just mozilla) have this issue. I have checked all the settings in mozilla and they are like I have always had them in past releases. I have checked KDE settings (especially the 'restore previous session') and they are like I have always had them set in the past.

I am at a loss. Though the 'bugginess' of 10.1 seems like it is less (maybe the bugs are just less severe) there seems to be many that are of a support nature that make the programs not work as they are intended to. Though I have had no system crashes or lock ups (the severe bugs mentioned earlier) the system seems less usable than previous releases. Anyone have any ideas about how to get MDK 10.1 Official to work as good as the previous releases? The few responses I have received in other forums were along the lines of "why do you need all that stuff anyway?" which does not help me at all.

Thank you in advance for any help you may be able to provide.
 
Old 11-17-2004, 05:46 PM   #2
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I haven't seen ANY of this which you describe.

However I usually and promptly upgrade/update my installation right after the initial install.

Did you follow this proceedure?

http://www.zebulon.org.uk/urpmi_en.html

To update your URPMI sources and follow the indicated directions about

urpmi --auto-select

Mandrake issued a slew of bug fixes...

You should also

urpmi wine

It runs great for me, and even provides and integrated setup where all you need to do is double click on a Windows Executable to get Wine to launch it.

As far as your web cam, you must of course install one for which Linux provides support.

I had no problems with an ANCIENT Quickcam VC, Brooktree 848 TV tuner and raidio card in one system... but these are all supported.

Check the MCC under hardware.

Devices for which there are no kernel modules are reported on the left and the right shows no kernel module loaded.

If there is no kernel module then that is the problem.


If settings do not seem, to "take" this is usually a rights issue probably caused by an upgrade instead of a clean install.

A clean install is preferable and all but required when going from one major version to another.

You might want to

cd /home

find . -iname USERNAME -exec chown USERNAME {} \;

To seach for and find any files belonging to USERNAME and automatically change the ownership to that user.

Also

find . -iname USERNAME -exec chgrp USERNAME {} \;

In the past this has cured many similiar postings (usually again from upgraders...)
 
Old 11-18-2004, 01:52 PM   #3
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Did you follow this proceedure?

http://www.zebulon.org.uk/urpmi_en.html
Yes. I have been using MDK since 7.0 and though I am not a professional at linux I do know the 'basics'.


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To update your URPMI sources and follow the indicated directions about

urpmi --auto-select

Mandrake issued a slew of bug fixes...
Yes. I check the updates daily using the GUI interface. For some reason I get errors when trying to execute urpmi from a command line. Yes---I su into root first. No--I still get the errors. The GUI seems to work correctly. I have downloaded and installed all the latest from MDK including the KDE updates and the DRAK updates.

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You should also

urpmi wine

It runs great for me, and even provides and integrated setup where all you need to do is double click on a Windows Executable to get Wine to launch it.
I tried urpmi wine (much to my surprise it actually worked) and it reported everything already installed. It still does not work correctly. My old wine installed to /var but my new wine installs to /home/mike/.wine which is a hidden folder. Nothing in this wine release works for me.

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As far as your web cam, you must of course install one for which Linux provides support.

I had no problems with an ANCIENT Quickcam VC, Brooktree 848 TV tuner and raidio card in one system... but these are all supported.

Check the MCC under hardware.

Devices for which there are no kernel modules are reported on the left and the right shows no kernel module loaded.

If there is no kernel module then that is the problem.
No. There is no kernel support anymore. At one time the modules for some web cams were already in the kernel which made them plug and play. They have removed these modules (pwc or something like this I believe). I have been reading about this in several forums. I have the 2.6.8.1-12 kernel which I am told does not have this support now. Since I am a computer user, not a code hacker, I get tired of constantly having to hunt down modules, read how to install and troubleshoot the modules (usually in forums like this), then attempt to install the module, make sure the module is being loaded at startup, then editing the conf file for the module before it finally begins to work a little. That is, if I am lucky. Linux is made for the person who has nothing else to do but study coding and troubleshoot hardware and conf files. For a person (like me) who does not have the training or experience of all that coding, kernel hacking, and troubleshooting hardware conf files this slows down the ablility to *USE* the computer for the things I need it for. I hate M$ for what it is and love linux for what it can do and how great it (usually) runs but this is the part of linux I wish would catch up to M$.


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If settings do not seem, to "take" this is usually a rights issue probably caused by an upgrade instead of a clean install.

A clean install is preferable and all but required when going from one major version to another.

You might want to

cd /home

find . -iname USERNAME -exec chown USERNAME {} \;

To seach for and find any files belonging to USERNAME and automatically change the ownership to that user.

Also

find . -iname USERNAME -exec chgrp USERNAME {} \;

In the past this has cured many similiar postings (usually again from upgraders...)
This was a fresh install. Twice. I completely reformatted the harddrive and set up new paritions. This time I set /opt on it's own partition of 2 gig with journaling ext3, /usr with 10 gig of reiserFS, and /home the rest using reiserFS which I have not done in the past. Of course I set / to 10 gig with journaling ext3 also. Anyway, this should have wiped eveything from the hd. This is completely different from what I have done in the past as far as the hd partitioning anyway. I tried doing what you suggested but it made no difference at all. I usually go into the userdrake and set my permissions fairly high anyway.
I installed the same MDK 10.1 from the same disks on my wife's Soyo Dragon and she does not have these problems. I am thinking there may be a difference in the kernels being used. Her's is the standard 2.6.8.1-12 mdk kernel while mine is the same but with smp and large ram support. So, the kernel is different. My brother is using the standard kernel on his computer with no problems. My computer is a Dell Precision 530 w/dual xeon processors and over 1gig of memory. MDK 10.0 has worked the best on it of any O.S. I have ever installed on it. I may have to go back to it. I was hoping I would not have to.

I may wait for a while longer before I wipe my drive and re-install 10.0. Maybe there will be some more bug fixes that will solve these issues. I really like my video with the xorg drivers. Seems much faster and the colors are more distinct when running opengl. If everything just installed and ran correctly (especially in wine) then I would have more time to actually *do my work on my computer* instead of *working on my computer* which is what I need. Business does not wait for you to troubleshoot computer operating systems.
 
Old 11-18-2004, 10:17 PM   #4
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Since I am a computer user, not a code hacker, I get tired of constantly having to hunt down modules, read how to install and troubleshoot the modules (usually in forums like this), then attempt to install the module, make sure the module is being loaded at startup, then editing the conf file for the module before it finally begins to work a little. That is, if I am lucky. Linux is made for the person who has nothing else to do but study coding and troubleshoot hardware and conf files. For a person (like me) who does not have the training or experience of all that coding, kernel hacking, and troubleshooting hardware conf files this slows down the ablility to *USE* the computer for the things I need it for. I hate M$ for what it is and love linux for what it can do and how great it (usually) runs but this is the part of linux I wish would catch up to M$.
True, but the problem is not Linux, but rather the reluctance of the manufacturers to post detailed specs about theri hardware and sample code.

The few that do end up getting a LOT of support in Linux as reverse engineering everything is not required.

As is the developers are people who tend to, either work for companies that have their own vested interest in supporting what THEY need Linux to support (after which they release the source code), do this as a hobby.

Mandrake uses the Linux kernel, but they do not write the kernel. Hardware support revolves around the kernel.

Yeah it would be GREAT if everyone provided code snippets to the developers, and you'd see most hardware supported quite easily, but as it is because Linux doesn't support what you have, does this make it bad.

But we can dream can't we...

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I usually go into the userdrake and set my permissions fairly high anyway.
Could this have anything to do with it?

It may affect dcop and other processes.

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I installed the same MDK 10.1 from the same disks on my wife's Soyo Dragon and she does not have these problems. I am thinking there may be a difference in the kernels being used. Her's is the standard 2.6.8.1-12 mdk kernel while mine is the same but with smp and large ram support. So, the kernel is different.
I doubt it, but you CAN test it...

urpmi the same kernel she is running and you'll get a new lilo entry which you can use at bootup.

Now while I doubt this is the problem I did have a situation on my Laptop where-in I could not enable slamr modem support until I switched to the uniprocessor kernel.

This wasn't a rights or setting issue though, rather the driver has a problem with an SMP environment.

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If everything just installed and ran correctly (especially in wine) then I would have more time to actually *do my work on my computer* instead of *working on my computer* which is what I need. Business does not wait for you to troubleshoot computer operating systems.
Ony my P4's running in Uniprocessor mode, Wine is working fine.

If you get a chance to try the above test, also check to see if this cures your Wine problem... it just may.
 
Old 11-18-2004, 10:45 PM   #5
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Thanks. Sounds like a good suggestion. I don't know how long it will take to get around to it though. The next 3 weeks are going to be pretty hectic for me. As soon as I get a chance I will try the uni-processor kernel and see what happens.

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But we can dream can't we...
Yes! I have no problems being able to see what linux is capable of. I just wish I were linux smart enough to make it achieve what it *is* capable of. I do try but it is a slow process for me.

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It may affect dcop and other processes.
I am not sure. I guess I could lower them some. I did not know it could have adverse consequences to set a fairly high permission to a user. I thought it would make them similar to an Administrator or Power User. I set the same permissions for my wife on her's and on my brothers for him. I don't know why it would effect me and not them. But, I am not an IT professional or had any certified linux training. Only what I have taught myself over the years. So, there is much I don't know.

Thanks again for the reply and the suggestions about where I should look for the answers.
 
  


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