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Old 01-31-2009, 11:22 AM   #1
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KDE linux software may run on GNOME Linux and vice versa ?


KDE linux software may run on GNOME Linux and vice versa ?
is needed to install any soft pack for this ? run on GNOME Linux[ubuntu 8.10], KDE linux software[Apps] like kdevelop OR quanta plus ???
 
Old 01-31-2009, 11:25 AM   #2
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some KDE software may require kde library packages but all of it should run on GNOME, if i am not mistaken.
 
Old 01-31-2009, 11:33 AM   #3
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And vice versa. I'm running kde but use ekiga (gnome) without any problems. You should be fine. If you install a package it will alert you to any dependencies.
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Old 01-31-2009, 11:41 AM   #4
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Of course you can

Just install any software you like regardless of the desktop you are using. The needed dependencies for your software will be installed for you without replacing your entire desktop.

GNOME and KDE are software projects that both aim to provide tools for daily work on desktop computers. They provide a text editor, calculator, file manager, media players, disc burning tools and more... It doesn't mean that you can't make up your own desktop by using tools from both projects and also from other sources.
 
Old 02-01-2009, 04:19 AM   #5
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this can be stopped and recontinued , is download , isn't it ?

How to appear the "terminal window" ...? to install all KDE I must use:
sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
??? what to press after insert THIS command ?
this can be stopped and recontinued , is download , isn't it ?
can install this from kubuntu 8.10 cdrom ?
to install all KDE, means no need for kde libraries any more ? is it needed backup ALL the DATA first ?
 
Old 02-01-2009, 04:37 AM   #6
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If you want to use KDE software under gnome(and vice versa)you can install one program made under QT, for example amarok, K3B from repository...Once installed the package you want, synaptic or your package manager will install the headers, the procedure is automatic and will not have problems.

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what to press after insert THIS command ?
Your PC won't explode, that command install the headers of KDE and nothing will be touched outside of those.

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this can be stopped and recontinued , is download , isn't it ?
No, it can't be recontinued or stopped, but if you have a problem with the download you can install the packages from 0%.

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can install this from kubuntu 8.10 cdrom ?
No, you can't, you've alredy got all in the repository.

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to install all KDE, means no need for kde libraries any more ? is it needed backup ALL the DATA first ?
No, isn't needed to backup everything.

Last edited by metrofox; 02-01-2009 at 04:39 AM.
 
Old 02-01-2009, 04:45 AM   #7
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The use of the command su apt-get install ‘software package’ will connect with the different repositories to download and install the software (and possible dependencies). In Debian you have the possibility to interrupt the process before starting the download. As far as I know there is not the possibility to stop and re-continue this process.

These files can come from the web or from the CD’s/DVD. To edit these repositories-locations you can open, as root, /etc/apt/sources.list . For me the CD entry (used Debian net-install) looks like followed:

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deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r6 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20081220-23:12]/ etch contrib main
When installing the complete KDE desktop environment most of the KDE-libraries will be installed. As such there will de be less dependencies missing when installing software (using the apt-get function checks this and can always upgrade or install missing dependencies).

I hope this is off use to you.
Kind regards.
 
Old 02-01-2009, 05:38 AM   #8
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you say "No, you can't, you've alredy got all in the repository." you mean that i must exe/install files ALREADY in my pc [ubuntu 8.10] to run kde apps ?
If I install all KDE, means no need for kde libraries any more ? may do this from files ALREADY in my pc [ubuntu 8.10] ?
 
Old 02-01-2009, 06:03 AM   #9
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you mean that i must exe/install files ALREADY in my pc [ubuntu 8.10] to run kde apps ?
They are not ALREDY on your PC, they are in the repository, you can download install them running " sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ". Once installed the KDE headers(KDE) you can execute all KDE applications you want.

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If I install all KDE, means no need for kde libraries any more ?
Yes, right, but if you want to install all KDE you've to install libraries(just a command " sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ")

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may do this from files ALREADY in my pc [ubuntu 8.10] ?
What you mean with that, have you downloaded all KDE packages in your PC without installing them? If not you haven't any KDE file installed in your PC yet.

Listen to me, run " sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ", wait several minutes, after install application(s) you want to execute. Goobye and excuse me for my bad english, i know that sucks, but what can I do? Do not worry.

Last edited by metrofox; 02-01-2009 at 06:05 AM.
 
Old 02-01-2009, 06:32 AM   #10
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How to appear the "terminal window" ...? to install all KDE I must use:
sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop in "terminal window" , well, what to press after insert THIS command ?
I want download first after run, this will do so ?
 
Old 02-01-2009, 06:46 AM   #11
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may download files[repository] from browser .. so if interupted to start from the point left ? after go to run it ...if interupted[download files[repository]] by running the command you say may then start from the point left ?
 
Old 02-01-2009, 09:12 AM   #12
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Open a terminal(it hasn't any graphical interface, just a cursor.) and run:

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sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
Once wrote this command you've to press the "Enter" button, and you can do everything, the terminal will work alone, maybe it will tell you to accept something(in the beginning of the operation), you've just to press " y " button as " yes ". Nothing of really complex.

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I want download first after run, this will do so ?
No, it will download and install all files in automatic(default choose and best choose), if you want to download without install any package you can ask to --help

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sudo apt-get --help
This command will give you a lot of informations and directives for you, you can customize your command...Depends what you want to do, you can read the man(manual) page(s):

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man apt-get
These two commands will help you a lot

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may download files[repository] from browser ..
You can, but why? You've got an automatic and comfortable operation which does everything alone and that's the safest mode.

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if interupted[download files[repository]] by running the command you say may then start from the point left ?
You will download again all file since 0%, i guess(I don't know if the new version of synaptic saves in cache the files).
Hey, you seem worried You're just installing some file, give that command, press " y " and take a coffee After(restart, if you want that's not necessary)and start all KDE applications you want without any problem. Bye...
 
Old 02-01-2009, 09:15 AM   #13
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I'm gonna explain to you some basic concpts.

First, a program does not contain everything in itself. Sometimes, it needs some extra libraries, which contain functions, definition of constants and any extra data. This occurs not only in GNU/Linux, but in Windows as well (the so famous *.dll).

So, when you install a program using a package mannager like APT, it searches for the extra libraries and components needed to run the program. These extra libraries are called dependencies.

But where does it search? The package mannager searches everything in the repositories. Repositories are data bases of programs and such. It is possible to add a DVD-rom as a repository, and the package mannager will searche there for whatever you are searching, along in any other repository you have configured.

Now, on the main question of the thread: when you run a progrma, it needs its libraries to be loaded in the memory in order to use the functions and whatever. What happens here is that Kde programs use some common libraries, so you don't have to load the same library again. This happens in Gnome as well. So, if you wnat to run a Kde program in Gnome, or vice-versa, you will have to load more libraries, because Gnome and Kde use diferent libraries.

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How to appear the "terminal window" ...? to install all KDE I must use:
sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop in "terminal window" , well, what to press after insert THIS command ?
I want download first after run, this will do so ?
Sorry but i can't understand your english. If you run the command, apt will download everything first, when it finishes, it'll install everything it downloaded.
 
Old 02-01-2009, 09:32 AM   #14
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It is possible to add a DVD-rom as a repository
That's right, adding the local repository APT will search all packages which the CD/DVD contains, but the local repository won't be upgraded, the local repository is often used by persons who has a slow webline or by persons who have no internet and they can't install any package from the network. You do not need of a local repository, you've internet(you're writing on this forum ). As I said...Don't worry, thousands of persons use APT. Do you understand now?

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How to appear the "terminal window" ...?
You can find Terminal in the northern gnome tray:

Applications-->Accessories--->Terminal, i guess that's the right place, i do not use ubuntu, if someone could correct me, please...
 
Old 02-01-2009, 03:38 PM   #15
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how many MBs the download [quanta & kdevelop] OR [KDE ALL] for ubuntu 8.10 ? I must do this and AFTER run the installation file eg quanta plus ?
 
  


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