So, isn't it totally possible to "buy" Linspire with JDSWelcome, and then buy CNR with the same code? I mean, the "coupon" applies to the cart at the moment, right? If someone is willing to try this, please let me know how it turns out. I'm not even out of highschool yet, so if I have to pay 19.99 a year for CNR, I don't think my parents would be happy .

-Peter

"JDSWelcome" just gives you a $49.99 discount on any linspire product.

... as far as I know

Not sure what you have against Linspire. In fact the whole..."My distro is better than yours..." attitude is one of the main reasons that is holding Linux back from desktop acceptance. No wonder Windows users decide to stick with what they have when all they hear is ....."MY Distro rocks, don't use this because they suck", and "I don't like X distro because Britney Spears uses it"...and yadda yadda yadda.

Face it, there are many distros out there and they all serve their own market. Linspire's market is for those new to linux and or computing. So they make it very easy to use and difficult to break.....Oh my, that IS horrible. So they are a business and they charge for their product.....Golly gee willickers, get a rope. If it is not for you, then fine, that is the beauty of Linux there are plenty of distros out there. Like it or not, Linspire is a good, easy to use distro that attracts alot of users to Linux. Instead of slamming them every chance you get, I would think that maybe you would be happy for them and the number of people they are able to enlighten about Linux.

Do I use Linspire...yes. Why, because it just works. My computers are tools, not hobbies, so when I install an OS, I expect things to work. I don't want to spend hours or even days (cough:Gentoo:cough) trying to install an operating system and then getting the hardware and or software to work. I have used other distros such as SuSE, Xandros, Ubuntu, PCLOS, CPU Builders Linux (Fedora), Linaire, Lycoris, Gentoo, and others, but I just prefer Linspire hands down. That is my preference, but you don't see me slamming other distros.

As far as Kevin Carmony "whoring his distro"...he was offering refuge to those whose distro had just stopped development or underwent fundamental business changes.....JDS and Lycoris. That is all. A port in the storm. He didn't slam their distro. He didn't do anything out of sorts. Just said "Hey, if you're going to be looking...look in our direction." That's all.

going off on tangents are we....

I just stated how the list responded to him doing that. Of course, now you linspireite can run off and tell everyone how you shut me up and set me straight and you can spread lies that you had to correct all that vile stuff I said about linspire....

Did I say anything about my cool distro? about your sucky distro? anything at all liek that?

difficult to break? running as root I would think would make it fairly easy to break... I seen someoen at the forum that was about to run the cfdisk command.... that would break something!

So how does xine do for you? How is sound? How is that network browser? How is installing something as a user and it doesnt install or if it does it still wont work properly? How is the dialup going with a normal user? Yea....everythign just works huh....

Most distros nowadays "just work" and dont costa arm and a leg.....

of course now I will get a reprimand because I chose to defend myself.....

This is the real world, you don't get reprimanded, people just ask you to politely "chill". You too pusterracing. I used to hate Linspire, I thought they were dogs poluting Linux. My views have changed. I want to try all of the options. Now I am in no way a good example, take my advise and don't do what I do: I switch distros every few months and I'm serious. Now jake is right, puster, any Linux distro is easy to "break", fdisk, rm */*/*/*/*/...., a nice cup of hot coffee, just to name a few, but neither of you is right. Ok, how about you both let out all you anger: Send a nasty e-mail to Macrosoft and get the heck over it.

-Peter

No, no reprimand.

My post was the cumlative effect of your bombardment of anti-linspire posts....not just this one particular post. By choosing the words "whoring his distro" were you not trying to provoke a response?

This is where you have it all wrong.......that is not how I, or many of the other Linspire users choose to operate. Apparently you frequent the forums over there (see below) so you should know that.

Constant negative comments...such as the one above...."sucky distro"....so yea, you have done something like that....

If I recall, the person about to execute that command was trying to blow out a partition......so yes, something will break, but that was the whole point.

Also, Why do you have to run as ROOT? During install it gives you the option of setting up user accounts. If you choose not to and choose to run as ROOT, don't blame that on Linspire. The person installing had the option.

Dunno, I have something called a DVD player for watching movies. Can't say I spend much time watching movies on my computer. No point in it.....RE: my last post..."my computer are tools, not hobbies"

No problem on any of my machines. Sounds quite nice actually.

Firefox? Works very nicely, thank you.

Can't say I have ever run into the problem, not saying it doesn't exist I've seen where some people do, just saying I've never experienced it.

Can't remember the last time I used dial-up.

Yes, everything just does work. Thank you for noticing.

And I have no problem compensating people for their work, whether it be a donation or the price of their product.





Let me ask you....have you ever used Linspire? And if not, how can you spew forth your venom in their direction with any credibility? I can go to any distros forums and find examples of how the OS is not functioning. I guess my real problem is that you seem to spend alot of time slamming Linspire when that energy could be put to better use helping linux grow and spreading the word.

Is your problem that they charge for their product? Look at Novell.....their product is $90 at retail locations. Linspire is almost half of that. Even with one year of CNR they're still $20 cheaper than SUSE. And I use SUSE too.

Unfortunately for those that think all Linux should be free, Desktop Linux will never get a foothold without pay distributions. Because you are not only paying for the software, you are also paying for the support. No business is going to install on all of their computers a desktop linux that is developed by three guys in a basement. For the above average techie user a distro like that is fine, but for a business or a non-techie user it is just not going to work. A CIO wants to know that if he runs into a problem he cannot troubleshoot, that he can pick up the telephone and call Linspire, Inc. or Novell or Redhat and get a person that can explain to him what his system is doing. That is part of what paying for the distro goes toward. TECH SUPPORT. When you're in business you need support now, not when jimbob gets back from the grocery store, finishes playing the last level of Doom and then gets around to reading his email. And the forums are nice when you don't have a pressing problem, but they are a far cry from the real time help of tech support or the help desk.

I'm not ranting, reprimanding or "dissing" you. It just baffles me that you would spend so much time spreading negativity about a Linux distro.

just for the sake of argument since you said everything works:
how is the onboard sound of the dell 8300?
what about the wlan usb device?
and this
http://forum.linspire.com/viewtopic....hlight=#239729

and this
http://forum.linspire.com/viewtopic....hlight=#238800

and this
http://forum.linspire.com/viewtopic....hlight=#257497

and....
http://forum.linspire.com/viewtopic....hlight=#296988
http://forum.linspire.com/viewtopic....hlight=#294274

ok i will stop....that was tooooo fun

Playing kinda dirty....not the way I do things, but okay, I'll play along...

Wow, so Linspire 4.5 did not work on a Toshiba Satellite 4010CDT 266mhz, 160MB SDRAM old as the hills laptop back in June 2004, a machine 533 mhz slower than the recommended speed, with 94MB less than the recommended RAM. Linspire 4.0 was working fine on it AND Linspire 5.0 did boot on that machine


So Linspire 4.5 didn't work with an experiment I was trying. Reread the post. I installed LOS 4.5 onto a HD. REmoved the HD from the computer, installed the HD into a USB HD enclosure, changed BIOS to boot from USB device, and LOS 4.5 didn't boot from the HD in the USB device. So it is a failed experiment. And you know of a distro that does this? I haven't thought about doing that experiment for a while.....might have to give it another go with 5.0 and see what happens.

Wow, still with LOS 4.5. So I had manually changed a setting in the sound server that had nothing to do with the upgrade afterall. Went back in after a few days to look at the sound server...noticed my check mark of the setting I had changed. Boom, sound was fine again. Chalk that one up to Operator Error. Oh, and with 5.0 I'm back to on-board sound too. Wow....next.


And this has what to do with hardware? We were talking about things just working. Didn't I say I use Firefox? Problem solved. Just because Windows ships with IE, does that mean I have to use it?


Wow, you're just like a reporter. Quoting things oout of context. What I was saying with "I'm tired of my 9800 Pro 128MB 8X not working correctly in Linux." was lack of ATI drivers in Linux. The card worked fine in 2D but I was only getting 600fps in GLX gears....in my opinon much too low for a Radeon 9800Pro which was supposedly one of the top cards in its day. So I replaced it, with a BFG 6800GTOC. So you are only presented half of the tructh, the cards display was fine, I just wanted better 3D. And if I was going from a 9800Pro to a 6800GT, don't you think it was time for a change....when the 6800GT came out the 9800 was getting long in the tooth. So you can't really blame Linspire for ATI not having adequate Linux drivers can you?


Well the USB WLAN device was a Gigafast WF741.....which, incidentally the Linux drivers can be found HERE. Once again, with the USB WLAN......what distro supports these (USB WLAN) out of the box? BTW, I upgraded my wireless from 11b to 11g so I am using Belkin 54G PCI cards. They work out of the box.




As I said, playing a little dirty, but I hope I have answered your questions sufficiently. In none of the cases was Linspire not working with my equipment (other than the USB WLAN, that all I had to do was install the Linux drivers for it, BUT It was hardwired anyway. No real NEED to install it, just wanted to make my office a little neater with one less cord.) It was either OPERATOR ERROR, which I clearly admit, or a simple "I think this should be perfoming better than it is"..but it is performing. I said it before, I could go to any ditros forums and pull posts about stuff not working. In all of the cases you have pointed to, my equipment was working, working fine, just not up to the standards that I thought they should be at.

BTW, next time you would like to know what hiccups I have run into along the way, just ask, I'll tell you. It'll save you the trouble of going to another forums and searching for every post I've made. Did you like the pictures of my home too?

couldnt resist....

well i believe you said

quoting things out of context??? where did I quote anything just pointing out things that didnt appear to "just work"....

the word SOFTWARE is in YOUR statement and not just hardware....

wouldnt a browser crashing be something that DIDNT just work along with the other things as well....

but i will admit you stayed mostly on-topic this time instead of just throwing some other tangent out there like ranting about how the gpl says you can charge, how people should stop being leeches, how you are paying for a service etc..... have you ever looked at the heated discussions in that forum (oops forgot they delete them) that is all they do is go off on every subject in the world except the one someone is trying to make a point about.... too funny Similar to how you did earlier....

oh and as far as
"If you choose not to and choose to run as ROOT, don't blame that on Linspire"
sorry but until linspire fixes it to where you can use your system as a normal user then I will have to place the blame on them....

oh and feel free to let linspire tell you I am part of Drevils conspiracy because I have NO CLUE who that is.....or what that has to do with me.......

oh and as far as this....

i only used that sentence to prove a point! The point was you were accusing me of using words like that, you stated

and I was just stating that I never said your distro was sucky and mine was cool.... now did i?

see them tangents.... go off and make it seem I have called your distro sucky and stated mine was cool and so forth....

As long as we can agree to disagree. I use it, it works for me. You don't use it, doesn't work for you.

as far as this....

You've caught me totally off guard. I don't remember discussing the GPL with you, paying for a service (I did say something about compesating people for their work, but nothing about leeches), or any of that...

Yes, I did go off topic in this thread. That is 100% my fault and I admit it.

As far as the browser crashing.....well, problem solved...Firefox, before that Opera. One click and they're installed. So, I guess you could call that a hiccup, but nothing mission critical like, say, a printer not working.


Once again, I've never run into that problem, but I'm not going to say they don't exist. But you didn't answer my question. Have you ever run Linspire? Have you ever had a CNR account? If not, then how do you know things don't work in User accounts? Because there have been problems posted on the forums? There have been problems posted with 6800 and 6600 nVidia cards, but those are isolated cases. Could not the software not working be isolated? Such as my sound server problem? Operator error? But feel free to blame them if you must.

Who?...No, really....who?

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Now, to get back on subject,

Yes, there are coupons to download the Linspire 5.0 Install CD for free.

yep ran linspire
yep had CNR
yep yep yep but none of that is my beef at least I dont think so...

I was just saying that those things (how the gpl says you can charge, how people should stop being leeches, how you are paying for a service) are the things the linspireites love to barrage you with whenever you try to discuss something about linspire that is negative... not that you did, you just went a different direction for a while

i love harvey (i think it is) who calls everyone leeches for taking freely taking something that is freely given.... that is the biggest hoot!!!

But if you notice most everyone just posts the same comment whenever someone mentions the gpl or something along those lines.... user1 chimes in with X everytime, user2 chimes in with Y everytime and so on.....

I fell over when a lot of them finally woke up and seen what I was saying and that I did have a point, of course then the gods came in and brainwashed them back to believeing it was just a accidental oversight and that they should be ashamed for doubting the one true linspire.... BTW part of my suggestions about linspire was to make a cheaper CNR and a cheaper base price on the OS which I THINK they have done both, i rememebr reading about some price changes... I still think the free software in CNR should be very low cost and go from there but oh well....

ok, i have rambled around enough

yea, i am still off topic

Alright, you don't like Linspire. In as much as you actually have any point, that seems to be it.

Fine. We heard it. Now if you'd just quit telling lies about it. That actually undermines your "credibility".

Why not start a new thread with your objections (assuming it's something more noble than hatred), and explain why they don't apply to numerous other commercial distros?

Thanks,

Peter