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Old 02-24-2003, 08:36 PM   #16
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i don't think most of these protesters are pacifists, they just care about life and don't want to see it go to waste for the benefit of some warmongers with their flimsy excuses and suspicious behavior. show these 'pacifists' a just cause and i think they wouldn't hesitate in kicking some butt. going to war because saddam is a bad guy seems so hypocritical when we have our own saddam's in washington. i think the peaceniks have their priorities in order by protesting this cowardly war. i think these protesters aren't so much pacifists as they are revolutionarys.
 
Old 02-25-2003, 12:26 AM   #17
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Re: You poor, poor deluded kids.

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Originally posted by Nu-Bee

Learn your lesson well my young rebels, for if you are lucky you will have to try to convince your own grandchildren or great-grandchildren that in your youth you made the mistake of believing that "It's all about oil!".
Does anyone really think that Bush is fighting an 80+ billion dollar war for 44 billion dollars worth of oil? That it's just one big conspiracy to give oil companies resources, even though they will lose money by accepting them? It goes a lot deeper than that...sure that's a dumb thing to believe, but then again, so is the "Iraqi threat."

Maybe when I'm a grandpa, and the next wave of terrorist attacks hits, I can explain to my grandchilders how those big bad terrorists simply hate America because they hate freedom, and how we have supported freedom and democracy in Guatemala, Vietnam, El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Iraq.
 
Old 02-25-2003, 12:49 AM   #18
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Re: Re: You poor, poor deluded kids.

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Does anyone really think that Bush is fighting an 80+ billion dollar war for 44 billion dollars worth of oil?
Well, where does this "80+ billion" go to. It is effectively an internal payment, isn't it? In reality, it doesn't cost the US that much.

44 billion dollars worth of oil? At which prices, and how are you so sure that the reserves are exactly that size?

I don't trust these figures.
 
Old 02-25-2003, 02:20 AM   #19
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When you talk of nipping despotism in the bud, your taking about the ashcroft/bush regime correct?

http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,57636,00.html

"The act allows the government to:

* Conduct domestic wiretapping without court order for 15 days following a congressional authorization of use of force or an attack on the United States.

* Secretly detain citizens. ...."

And yes that is the US gov.
If your a US citizen, fear your government, keep your mouth shut, and if its at all possible move. The US is already far down the road to becoming a police state run by big oil.
 
Old 02-25-2003, 09:26 AM   #20
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Re: You poor, poor deluded kids.

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Historically new generations had the time to grow beyond their youthful rebelliousness and distrust of "adults", and to learn the foolishness of their previous actions in time to eliminate any deadly serious screwups.

I suspect that mine was the last generation graced with this precarious and fragile freedom.

Peace is an ideal that is, and has been paid for in blood. It has been paid for with the blood of tyrants, and the blood of patriots.

I feel that it won't be too long now before the "peaceniks" of the world, and of the US, will learn firsthand the foolishness of pacifism in the face of tyrants. And, in the wisdom of nipping despotism in the bud through the unwelcome necessity of war.

Learn your lesson well my young rebels, for if you are lucky you will have to try to convince your own grandchildren or great-grandchildren that in your youth you made the mistake of believing that "It's all about oil!".
That bloke is a mentalist
 
Old 02-25-2003, 11:15 AM   #21
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When you talk of nipping despotism in the bud, your taking about the ashcroft/bush regime correct?

http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,1848,57636,00.html

"The act allows the government to:

* Conduct domestic wiretapping without court order for 15 days following a congressional authorization of use of force or an attack on the United States.

* Secretly detain citizens. ...."

And yes that is the US gov.
If your a US citizen, fear your government, keep your mouth shut, and if its at all possible move. The US is already far down the road to becoming a police state run by big oil.
I really find it sad & humorous....how someone can look at things meant for their own protection...necessary protection...and make them out to be "evil".

I've never been able to prove it but I suspect it has a lot to do with all their suspicions being due to one or two other strongly held but erring convictions.

That, and a very skewed idea of the truths behind our U.S. Constitution.

The liberals in the US, the ACLU, etc., have brainwashed many in our society that the U.S. Constitution means the opposite of that which it truly does.

They will turn history and other facts on their head in order to make the truth look like a lie, and lies seem to be the truth.

...with sight so blinded, it's no wonder that good looks evil, and evil looks good to them.

Last edited by Nu-Bee; 02-25-2003 at 11:17 AM.
 
Old 02-25-2003, 11:21 AM   #22
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Afer readin that article I think the justice dept should probably change its name to something more appropriate like SS or KGB.
 
Old 02-25-2003, 11:27 AM   #23
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Nu-Bee and Saddam again.Boring.Get a live.
 
Old 02-25-2003, 11:37 AM   #24
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Originally posted by Nu-Bee
I really find it sad & humorous....how someone can look at things meant for their own protection...necessary protection...and make them out to be "evil".

They will turn history and other facts on their head in order to make the truth look like a lie, and lies seem to be the truth.

...with sight so blinded, it's no wonder that good looks evil, and evil looks good to them.
Nu-Bee, I know you like Linux but can't you see just on the basis of what the current US administration has waived through Congress may potentially destroy your freedom to use Mandrake Linux?

Have you been paying any attention at all during Mr Bush's term of office?

Do you really think you have more freedoms now than during the previous administration? Really? Truthfully? They'll find out if you're lying!

The majority of your fellow intelligent US citizens have serious doubts about the current administration's democratic legitimacy, policymaking and competence, including Mr Stallman, Mr Raymond and possibly Mr Torvalds (I don't think he's a citizen yet though!).

Please, just give it a rest - your opinions (if they are genuine) only serve to irritate and show your misunderstanding of the current political climate. Don't you have homework to do?

Bert
 
Old 02-25-2003, 01:20 PM   #25
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right, i think we'll call a halt to it here.... thanks.
 
  


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