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Old 07-03-2013, 04:36 PM   #31
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Yep, average flag waving American that believes whatever the government says. Snowden was only obeying the oath that he swore to uphold the constitution. He didn't harm anyone in the U.S. Nor, did he levy war on the U.S. And he isn't giving information to our enemies that can harm us.

You say that the NSA was doing its job. Its job is to uphold and defend the constitution, and it doesn't do that if it is breaking the constitution by violating our persons and papers.

As far as "defending us from terrorism" they have not been doing a real good job of that. And any way, if our government would stop sticking its nose into other nations business, perhaps the terrorists wouldn't be coming over here at all. How would you feel if, Iran, for instance, came over here to the U.S. with battleships, soldiers, tanks, etc., to "help" us deal with social unrest, illegal immigration, etc. I know that I wouldn't like it. Especially if they overthrew our government and established a new one! That is exactly what we are doing, and they won't stop attacking us until our government gets its dirty nose out of their affairs. Every day we here that the Geneva Convention or the UN is scolding us for violation of the sovereignty of other nations. Thus, there wouldn't even be a terrorist problem that would need to be addressed if we stopped trying to be the policeman of the world.
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:24 PM   #32
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EEEErrrrrrr. If we want to start shooting traitors for harming American citizens.

We have lots of worse ones than Snowden in corporate America and Washington DC. Ever watch a video where a farmer lights his tap water on fire. Our previous Vice President we have to thank for that. Among other things that are more well known.
One always concentrates on the little transgressions and lets the big transgressions slide. I guess that is why you get
a bigger prison sentence for dealing pirated items than for dealing junk bonds or junk govt. contracts. Pork Barrel legislation gets a free pass but Snowden is a threat to Me. What a joke.

I find it amusing and scary at the same time. Me being a uneducated biker and all. Not a sheltered Linux user.

The main news agencies now describe Snowden as a Leaker instead of a Whiste Blower.r

But then we know how the major news agencies

"are fair and balanced" and don't snuggle up to big money and major politics. God forbid we get real Jounalism or News.

I heard from a unamed online buddy from Greece. Now they get real News from the State sponsored News service after the Govt. fired all
3500 workers at the State News agency. Seems the fired workers stormed the building and are now doing their jobs for free.

Sheesh. What a world.

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Old 07-03-2013, 06:33 PM   #33
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My opinion: The only cowards are those who shiver at the mere mention of the word "terrorism", and are willing to give up all freedoms and all privacy for a false sense of security.
I'm a non-American (specifically UKian), but I'm with you all the way on that. Surrendering your liberty and privacy to protect your skin is a coward's move.
 
Old 07-04-2013, 09:23 AM   #34
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Here's what your "hero"'s good deeds lead to:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/07/...haring-with-us
http://www.zdnet.com/eu-to-vote-to-s...al-7000017635/
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New submitter badzilla writes with a story from ZDnet that says a vote is scheduled in the European Parliament for today, U.S. Independence Day, on "whether existing data sharing agreements between the two continents should be suspended, following allegations that U.S. intelligence spied on EU citizens." One interesting scenario outlined by the article is that it may disrupt air travel between the U.S. and EU: "In the resolution, submitted to the Parliament on Tuesday, more than two-dozen politicians from a range of political parties call the spying 'a serious violation of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations,' and call on the suspension of the Passenger Name Records (PNR) system. Prior to leaving the airport, airlines must make passenger data available to the U.S. Names, dates of birth, addresses, credit or debit card details and seat numbers are among the data though critics say the information has never helped catch a suspected criminal or terrorist before. Should the PNR system be suspended, it could result in the suspension of flights to the U.S. from European member states."
I'm sure this is just the beginning. Thank you Snowden, "hero of the people", for ruining US foreign relations completely and bringing us one step closer to war with the rest of the world. You have "done nothing wrong" and done your country and the world a great good. <insert expletives here>

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Old 07-04-2013, 10:35 AM   #35
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Thank you Snowden, "hero of the people", for ruining US foreign relations completely and bringing us one step closer to war with the rest of the world. You have "done nothing wrong" and done your country and the world a great good. <insert expletives here>
No, the US has ruined its own foreign relations. Don't worry though, I doubt David Cameron will declare war on you - him and Obama have a "special" relationship.
 
Old 07-04-2013, 11:19 AM   #36
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No, the US has ruined its own foreign relations. Don't worry though, I doubt David Cameron will declare war on you - him and Obama have a "special" relationship.
Really ? You think the US is the only one doing the spying ? I think everyone is spying on everyone else and I don't see why the US doing it any worse than any other country doing it. The only difference is the "hero" Snowden exposing it.

Trust me, things won't wash over that easily. Maybe not war, but one step closer to it.
 
Old 07-04-2013, 01:11 PM   #37
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Of course everyone's doing it, spying on their friends and enemies. We (the English) have been doing it for centuries. Look at Francis Walsingham, Elizabeth I's spymaster, the CIA are angels compared to him and his gang. But the US always gets more stick when they're caught doing something wrong.
 
Old 07-04-2013, 02:55 PM   #38
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Here's what your "hero"'s good deeds lead to:
And I am the one accused of using emotive language

Here's some for everyone who thing the US is the only government that does this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23178284

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23179431

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Old 07-04-2013, 06:48 PM   #39
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Here is another interesting web link: it shows pretty clearly that the U.S. isn't the most free nation in the world, as a matter of fact, the U.S. was almost on the lest free nations in the world list. http://ecoggins.hubpages.com/hub/Fre...m-in-the-World
 
Old 07-04-2013, 07:22 PM   #40
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Just because it is on the web doesn't make it so.
 
Old 07-04-2013, 09:33 PM   #41
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Here is another interesting web link: it shows pretty clearly that the U.S. isn't the most free nation in the world, as a matter of fact, the U.S. was almost on the lest free nations in the world list
There's nothing on that page to indicate any of the lists are anything other than alphabetical lists. That link was posted in a different thread last month.

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EEEErrrrrrr. If we want to start shooting traitors for harming American citizens.

We have lots of worse ones than Snowden in corporate America and Washington DC. Ever watch a video where a farmer lights his tap water on fire. Our previous Vice President we have to thank for that. Among other things that are more well known.
One always concentrates on the little transgressions and lets the big transgressions slide. I guess that is why you get
a bigger prison sentence for dealing pirated items than for dealing junk bonds or junk govt. contracts. Pork Barrel legislation gets a free pass but Snowden is a threat to Me. What a joke.

I find it amusing and scary at the same time. Me being a uneducated biker and all. Not a sheltered Linux user.

The main news agencies now describe Snowden as a Leaker instead of a Whiste Blower.

But then we know how the major news agencies

"are fair and balanced" and don't snuggle up to big money and major politics. God forbid we get real Jounalism or News.
I'm in total agreement, except for the uneducated biker part. No more bike.
 
Old 07-04-2013, 09:56 PM   #42
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Just because it is on the web doesn't make it so.
Has anyone ever suggested otherwise? It is up to the individual to be a discerning user of information.
 
Old 07-05-2013, 09:14 AM   #43
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http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/07...s-data-sharing
http://www.zdnet.com/eu-votes-to-sup...ta-7000017677/
 
Old 07-10-2013, 10:36 AM   #44
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Like I stated earlier. I am not so concerned about Snowden. There are others that are currently suffering persecution but are flying under the radar as far and anyone knowing they are in jail and dying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynne_Stewart

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She was re-sentenced on July 15, 2010, to 10 years in prison in light of her alleged perjury at her trial
Tell me someone did not use a sledgehammer to swat a fly that was bugging the crap out of them.

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who was known for representing controversial, poor, and often unpopular defendants

Stewart is a self-described "movement lawyer.

Stewart says that all her high-profile clients share the distinction of being revolutionaries against unjust systems or people whose cases expose those injustices.[9] However, unlike most movement lawyers who found communications with prosecuting attorneys to be repugnant, former assistant US Attorney Andrew C. McCarthy, found Stewart to be "eminently reasonable and practical" and commented that "when she gave her word on something, she honored it — she never acted as if she thought one was at liberty to be false when dealing with the enemy.
So they are trying to kill her

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Stewart's breast cancer returned after she was imprisoned.
One does not need a bullet or violent action to cause mortal harm to a human being. A piece of legislation, a law, a repo bank note, a high interest rate, a corp. agenda, Patents on water, air,dna, etc...........

These can be just as effective as a bullet. Same result. Distressed victim and even their offspring in later years suffer poverty and dies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eThjWB1tKQw

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Old 07-10-2013, 11:24 AM   #45
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I'd never heard of Lynne Stewart, but the article you linked says she misused her meetings with a client (which she admitted) and committed perjury at her trial. I find it hard to see a champion of justice and legality in a woman who publicly praised Islamic fundamentalists: I doubt if the families of those executed for "blasphemy" would have much sympathy with her.
 
  


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