I think Harishankar said it best : the emphasis put on degrees or formal qualification is

very culture-dependent. Here in France, it is exactly the same as it appears to be in India.

You have to have a degree and the level is VERY high. I work as a teacher and a lady

substitute teacher from the States told me she could not manage to pass the competitive exams

required to be qualified as a teacher, although she teaches English and is a native speaker !

Perhaps this explanation helps.

How about because your not allowed to place P. Eng in front of your name? Which gives you the right to:

How many CCIE's can do that?

You're right Stack.

I did mention that a formal University qualification in Engineering also gives certain legal status within certain countries. Now nobody can argue against that

what !! .... how can you ...... errhhh !! That 's not prestigious !!
don't tell me i'm as "real" as farmers rigging natural gas with wet bamboos from bamboo rigs and distribute them with bamboo pipes fanning out covering their tribal land onto their primitive cooking stoves long before the "invention" of modern rigging and sewage pipes running under our cities ?!

my esteem arising from high reputation and the respect and high regard in which i'm held by "others" , this "reality" i will defend with all my might . Wake up !! you "others" , i'm different !!




hmm ....... similar to a stupid , stubbon and anarchronistic Rolls Royce

I guess legally then, in some countries and states, you can't say the pyramids in Egypt were built by engineers, or any of the other seven wonders I suppose, since they didn't have degree programs back then. Oh well, good thing we have lofty academic instutions run by egomaniacs today. It's a pity their huge egos don't translate into real-world ability, however, or they'd go out into the corporate world and make double the money, instead of staying in their sheltered acedemic world and teaching for a pittance.

Seconded, because--after all, those pesky romans weren't engineers, and they only built the worlds largest road system, waterworks, etc....

We won't even go on about those damn chinese and their wall fascination either.

I'm sure the Romans and the Egyptians were not born magically as Engineers. Even they must have gone through a systematic and disciplined course of study to build bridges and aqueducts. Egyptian or Roman babies weren't born with a T-square in their mouths...

And the present day requirements are quite different for Engineering studies than ancient civilizations. Technology hasn't been standing still you know

I'm sure many of you are simply arguing for the sake of argument here. We're confining our arguments to a narrower perspective while you want a philosophical debate on this issue.

Whether any of you like it or not, there will continue to remain these formal and legal requirements covering doctors, engineers and other professionals. If they removed such restrictions on formal qualifications for professionals, then the quacks will multiply at an alarming rate.

If we removed formal requirements for professionals, then your local drugstore clerk can call himself a doctor on the basis that he has knowledge of a few medicines

Well, it seems you got the point after all.

BTW, there are VERY formal requirements and protocols to becoming an electronics engineer, or a cisco engineer...etc.

Well I am unable to understand what you're driving at, just as I believe that you are unable to understand what I'm driving at. That's the point I have been trying to make all the time. The formal qualifications part will remain a constant factor at times whereas the requirements for those qualifications will vary over the ages... whether one likes it or not these formal qualifications will continue to define an Engineer, Doctor etc. in the future as well, though they will appear in different forms.

We're tuned in at different frequencies...

what !! .... how can you ...... errhhh !! That 's not prestigious !!
don't tell me i'm as "real" as Engineers rigging natural gas with computerised steering multi-directional diamond-studded steel drill-bit from drilling derrick and distribute them compressed and cleaned of impurities with pipes lines towards treatment plants before fanning out covering their tribal cities onto their primitive cooking stoves long before the "invention" of our ________ rigging and ________ pipes running ________ our ________ ?!

my esteem arising from high reputation and the respect and high regard in which i'm held by "others" , this "reality" i will defend with all my might . Wake up !! you "others" , i'm different !!




hmm ....... similar to a stupid , stubbon and anarchronistic ________







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Okay so now your letting this get to you on a personal level. I'd like to ask that you refrain from this thread or it will be closed altogether.

Regards.

personal level ?
i'm perplex ..

Read your responses from others point of views, your taking this thread to a personal level with the tone from your replies. So drop it or this thread will be closed. Express your opinions and views but don't let it get personal, its against our rules.