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Old 04-17-2005, 09:30 AM   #1
t3gah
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Question how hard can one "little" test be?


Not hard at all. Which one? MCSE.

I went out on a drinking binge with some friends before we all took it. Three days later the test day comes and all of us pass with very decent scores despite being drunk and tired from partying.

I looked over the CNE test and boy it looked hard compared to the MSCE thing. I heard later that they lowered the standards for it and the other Novell certification for some unknown reason. I think it's because they wanted to be like the MSCE test, difficulty wise. I did take the CNE way later and passed. Lot of good it's doing me here at my "open source lab". Although knowing IPX works out dealing with the Open Source distro's.

Now a /real/ test is a Linux certification test, or a Cisco cert test!
 
Old 04-17-2005, 12:19 PM   #2
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First off, to become an MCSE, you're required to pass 7 exams. So the question would be "How hard can seven little tests be".
 
Old 04-17-2005, 01:28 PM   #3
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Quote:
Originally posted by twsnnva
First off, to become an MCSE, you're required to pass 7 exams. So the question would be "How hard can seven little tests be".
So very true: http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mc...quirements.asp

5 Core Exams and 2 Elective Exams totally involved..
 
Old 04-17-2005, 05:31 PM   #4
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Dunno, found the 2003 track a lot harder than the 2000 and NT.

But yeah, cisco is a beast. Especially when you get to the ccie I understand. I hope to get there by NEXT december....You need 6 months of lab time each day to pass the practical.
 
Old 04-18-2005, 12:59 AM   #5
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Question Microsoft is easy as a slice of cake, no?

"Why did I become a MCSE?", you may be asking yourself. Well the company I was working for had this big initiative that all persons on the phones be certified microsoft engineers even if you supported something other than microsoft. The company was even willing to pay for the cost of the tests. And then they said it would look favorable towards a salary increase the next quarter.

My friends and I were making so much money, we didn't care either way, but we decided to sign up for the tests which had to be scheduled just as a goof. Later as time passed and we got more and more calls from MCSE's that had no clue whatsoever about Servers, we were thinking more and more that becoming an MCSE was a joke with thousands of calls to prove it from the rest of the call center nos/server technicians. We decided to get take the time off that was alloted to prepare before you take the test and get "hammered" as some people call it because we didn't care about the money we laid out nor if we passed. That's where the three days came from. It wasn't the weekend.

I was shocked more than my friends that we passed despite our obvious conditions. Later one friend asked how we got into the test facility stinking from beer. "NFI, it must be the Microsoft way." is what I told him.

Weeks later the company took a poll to see if everyone was MCSE cert yet. We three told them "well...". When my manager asked me what that meant I said I tell you later. And then we kept putting it off continually until we three left that company for better prospects. We didn't want anyone to know that we were MCSE's because it was and still is embarrasing. Now I don't care because I work with open source in my house and don't have to answer to a company.

As for that major computer manufacturer.... they said they would pay for the time off so we could take the test. They didn't say anything in the memo that stated we had to disclose whether we passed or not. They knew we went by the receipt we gave them which they verifed, but we never told them that we passed and in what condition, even years later. I did find out that some managers took the test after studying for one day like me and passed. If they only knew they didn't even have to be sober to pass...

So if you are still scratching your head asking "Why get drunk before a MCSE test?" Why not?! Microsoft is easy as a slice of cake, no?

EDIT: Forgot to clarify "three days". We took the tests over three days and we were drunk every day over the span to take the tests.

<Oracle> Not too bright.

one "little" test, seven individual sections makes it smaller.

the phrase, it's a joke, just like the tests.


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Old 04-18-2005, 07:20 AM   #6
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Honestly I'm going to tell you that I don't believe this story since it totally changed after a few details were provided but I would also find this story kind of a slap in the face if I had gone and had taken my MCSE and studied for it or at least prepared even.
Telling stories of how you passed a Microsoft Certification drunk I think should be kept to yourself and out of a public forum for the members who actually take the test seriously cause your only expressing and bashing a company and a test that a lot of our members still use and have taken here on LQ.
LQ.org is not a place to do any type of bashing, I find your story of how you can take MCSE sort of offensive and I haven't even taken the test or don't even have the desire to take it.

Regards.
 
Old 04-18-2005, 10:09 AM   #7
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I'm not buying it and even if I did, I wouldn't pay much. Currently, the exams are more than $100 US per test and there are 7 tests to take. Even if I was extremely confident in my knowledge of the material I don't think that I'd take the chance of wasting my money by going in blitz on purpose.

I wouldn't exactly call the tests easy either. You either know the material or you don't. You should be able to pass any of the exams after having worked with the product and additional study.
 
Old 04-18-2005, 05:52 PM   #8
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I'd have to say that the story get's a bit fishy the more detail that you add.

Not saying it's a hard SERIES of tests, it's probably a 5 out of 10(some being easier, some harder), but ccna rates only a 7 out of 10 according to popular polls(I'd put it 8 myself). I don't remember finding the novell tests any harder either,...maybe it was just me, but I'd put them at 5 out of 10 also. 2k3 moved the bar to a 6 out of 10, and the 640-801 moved ccna from 7 to an 8. The citrix test I'd put at 5 out of 10, and it reallys should have been harder...

I'll let you know how the rest of the cisco series goes soon, I plan for the BSCI sometime around september. The CCNP path tests are all 8 and above, and the CCIE goes a full 10. These I'm worried about.
 
Old 04-19-2005, 05:28 PM   #9
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I forgot the funniest part of the MCSE test. There's 7 individual like what was stated by a previous post but you don't have to pass all of them to become certified. If you pass a couple yoiu become quasi-certified. If you pass 5 like my and my compadre's, you are a MCSE. If you are a glutton for punishment you can go for the last two which makes you a super-MCSE. Frankly it's just a way of making it harder for people financially, but then that's the M$ way and the testing facilities are raking in the cash following the model.

As a note, I was a NT administrator for several years for a Microsoft developer and that's why I only studied one day only. I just looked over the test formatting actually. The manager I spoke of could speak, read and write 7 languages which are: German, Arabic (Egyptian), French, Spanish, Korean, Portugese, and English. He said it, the "test", was "easy".

And even if it's multiple parts you can't become a *cough* certified engineer without passing at least 5 of the individual tests, which makes those 5 really 1. Which is why my thread title say one "little" test.


(or is it Egyptian (Arabic?!))

EDIT: When I lived in Texas, the state would not recognize MCSE as real engineer, hence , me *cough* bit.

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Old 04-19-2005, 06:33 PM   #10
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Excuse me while I completely dimiss your posts at this point.
 
Old 04-19-2005, 10:13 PM   #11
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And I have x-ray vision. Cause I can be whatever I want to be online, cause the internet never lies..
 
Old 04-19-2005, 10:24 PM   #12
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Ah trickykid, you've stolen my powers . And t3gah, this is a very cheesy story. Shall I guess that you are still drunk since the test and are not sure what you saying?
 
Old 04-19-2005, 10:49 PM   #13
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I pity the united states if Texas is the only state to not consider MSCE to be engineers. Yeah i want you building my bridges after you take a series of 5 tests or designing the programs that will run on my car. These tests and anyone who claims to be an engineer when they are actually not disgrace the engineering profession. Who would have thought that Texas was the only state with an ounce of common sense.
 
Old 04-19-2005, 11:04 PM   #14
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I am an Electrical Engineer. And I agree that MSCEs are not Engineers. MSCE is not a degree. It is a certification by a single company and it should be called so. Maybe it should be renamed Technicians: "Microsoft Certified Technicians."

It is a typical Microsoft twist on an profession that is much more than mere computers and software.

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Old 04-19-2005, 11:41 PM   #15
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FWIW, there was an accelerated single exam for MCSEs in NT 4.0 to get 2000 certified, not sure if they ever did the same for Server 2003. And there are accredited colleges that give credit for your certs BTW. So even the state of Texas might have to call you an engineer, despite your informal education: https://www.excelsior.edu/portal/pag..._schema=PORTAL

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