Hello,

I would be pleased that infrared mouses with Invisible Light, which are Dangerous for Eyes, are removed from the market.

The best example is the MK270 from logitech.
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wirel...ews/B00BP5KOPA
Looking at the LED under the mouse is not recommended for eyes.
They did take an invisible light in order to get 12months with a single AA battery. What for really?

I believe that it is important to care and remove dangerous devices/objects, when it is needed.

Would you like to keep on the mouse market LED with red light?

Best regards,
Pat

Or, you could, you know, just not buy one...
A quick google tells me that your worries have a basis in scientific studies so I certainly won't suggest that avoiding IR mouse devices is irrational -- seems fairly sensible to me. However, many people choose to do many things which may be dangerous to their health either for convenience or leisure. So, rather than ban something which some people may actually want, I would suggest campaigning to add very visible and explicit safety warnings and let consumers decide. I think this because I cannot think of many situations in which somebody in one's vicinity using one of these could cause enough exposure to cause worry -- IR's not exactly powerful and the inverse-square law should mean one would have to be close to one of these devices to be affected.

I voted no. Following your logic, we should also ban cars because stepping in front of a driving car is inherently dangerous. And we should darken the sun, looking at it for a too long time can also damage your eyes.
Seriously, for a laser mouse to damage your eyes it would have to feature a laser with Class 2 certification, which none of the mice I know have. Not to mention that most mice are actually using LEDs, not lasers. But even then, if you think that a mouse laser/LED would damage your eyes there is a simple solution: Use the mouse as intended and just don't look into the LED.

I think that the IR ones are mainly laser LEDs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_mouse#Laser_mice
Sorry, just quibbling, I agree with your points.

Just another artificial scare to try and make people live in a bubble wrap coccoon.
Life is inherently dangourous, just use common sense.

"All roads lead to the end of the world" - Tom Waits.

I have a Logitech mouse which (from the links provided) is a infrared laser mouse. When I bought it, it came with a generic alkaline AA battery, nothing special. That single battery lasted over three years. It's still going strong with the second battery, which has probably been in there at least a year.

I don't have a wireless LED-based mouse to compare with, but it seems that using an infrared laser definitely makes the battery last a very long time. Whether this is significantly longer than using a red LED, I don't know. It would be interesting to find out.

Reminds me of the cellphone and smartphone radiation scare back then of getting brain cancer. I think they were selling some anti-radiation product you put inside the phone.

but that FUD and "woo woo" magic thinking is STILL going on

Yep, Time to ban Toilet Paper.

Cuz it is a choking hazard for children.

I believe there is FUD for bluetooth as well. Either way, I use both technologies everyday and the FUDs of such never enters my mind.

Indeed, because they can use a really, really weak LED and still use it to track the underlying surface.

Consider this: A single AA battery is likely to last for 12 months. A decent alkaline AA battery may have a capacity of around 2000 mAh. Let's say the marketing division at Logitech arrived at their "12 months" estimate by assuming you work no more than 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, for no more than 48 weeks. That's 1920 hours (conveniently), meaning the device must draw about 1 mA (!) on average.

1 mA at 1.5 volts is 1.5 mW. And that's the TOTAL power consumption of the device, including the electronics. There's probably some really aggressive power management at work here to achieve a battery life of 12 months, but there's just no way the maximum burst output from that LED can exceed 1-2 mW.

Granted, a laser beam is by definition quite concentrated, and the iris of a human eye won't react to infrared light, but really, less than 2 mW? Is such an incredibly weak light likely to be hazardous to your eyes? Do you plan on staring into that mouse for hours on end, while sitting perfectly still (and constantly clicking the mouse buttons to keep the power management from turning off the LED)?
Agreed, but in this case there's no danger.
I'm not a big fan of more batteries ending up in landfills, so I'm good with the IR laser variant.

This is the first I've heard about infrared mice being harmful to the eyes. Got any links for me to look at?

After the post above yours I think I was wrong and that anybody worried about their affects on the eyes would find their time better spent buying some goggles to wear during the day. I have to admit I'd not realised what pathetic wattage these things give out -- my googling suggested that exposure to IR can lead to cataracts but I think the wattage required for that is likely a lot more than these things.
PDF linked to here:
http://www.optometry.co.uk/uploads/a...oke1990521.pdf

Ha Ha, I like it!

It reminds me the chemical in baby bottles.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...s-1931628.html
Why people care you think? - I believe that we must care about those things.


Dangerous things...

In many countries, drugs are prohibited.
Some smartphones have been removed from the market.
Some foods are sometimes prohibited because they are bad to lethal effects on humans.

So, where are the limits? Freedom and careless, averaged selection or over-prohibition?