Because Shiny Things Are Fun - The New New Windows v Linux Thread

Originally Posted by future_computer I use Windows because many softwares I need are easily to be installed in Windows.

Yup he does, in fact like that virus pretending to be an operating system!!! So adding more viruses to it makes perfect sense.

You can't be more biased.

What did you expect? After all, this is a Linux forum.

Originally Posted by sycamorex Do you mean viruses?

An exotic but expedient question.

Originally Posted by future_computer You can't be more biased.

future_computer,

As I have said before, the strong point of M$ OS's is their complete support of drivers. Period. Install, and it runs your hardware. That is all. But it cannot be denied that it has most if not all weaknesses: it obviously dangles behind gnu/linux in terms of speed, stability and security. Quick boot? Yes, it boots faster than a tuned up Slackware smp kernel (but not the generic). M$ uses Pre-loads at boot up (I still remember when I was in XP and win98SE boxes,) that explains it all. But what does booting make in terms of "productivity"? None. Gnu/Linux/BSD boxes usually boot ones, say year 2010 and shuts down for cleaning by the year 2012. A matter of 2-3 seconds behind at booting cannot matter when it goes on working for years; however M$ needs to restart and restart and restart again and again, they have all reasons to boot faster.

What of speed? Evidently, M$ systems WASTE plenty of time by walking like a duck every time: it doesn't understand anything about being at haste. It is overweight in all respects. Imagine, M$ (after being uncovered to have violated some GPL licenses) conceded to offer its Hyper-V drivers block to get ported to Linux kernel; it consisted about 20 thousand lines of code, but after linux coders CLEANED up their codes and added two more drivers the total block came out to be only 7 thousand lines of code. That's the difference between HIDING and OPENING up the source codes, and just imagine how heavier it could have grown through out their proprietary attitude all over their software. (Excuse my want for url-link, I lost it from my bookmarks, just use google "hyper-v linux kroah hartman").

Personally I am grateful to M$ because I made profit out of my days with them. But this doesn't keep me from telling what is the truth.

Cheers.

future_computer, the best-fed troll on LQ, strikes again.

Kudos, little buddy.

Originally Posted by foodown future_computer, the best-fed troll on LQ, strikes again. Kudos, little buddy.

Well, the trollbait is right there in the topic! :-)

Originally Posted by future_computer You can't be more biased.

Yes I am biased! Even a child can understand that microslop is only good for attracting viruses with their security, or lack thereof. I honestly think if M$ were to open up the source code a lot of their problems could be fixed with people looking at it and spotting weaknesses. Look at Linux, The codes are open source (mostly) and fresh eyes are more than welcome to spot potential weaknesses, and if found you the average user are more than welcome to modify it if you are able to thus the Linux based systems are more secure. My wife has run the same Mint 9 since I downloaded and installed it in her laptop when it first came out in Beta with NO anti-virus or anti malware add ons. She has still to pick up a virus or any malware. Put that to your windoze system! BTW another thing when there is an update for hers, she installs and very rarely does it need to be rebooted. Thank you Mint!

I like being able to upgrade and no reboot required. I update about twice a week and check this out:

root@fireball / # uptime
 01:22:14 up 82 days, 18:31,  9 users,  load average: 0.58, 0.35, 0.27
root@fireball / #

That's about 20 upgrades at least. You may get away with a couple on windoze but not that many. By the way, my longest uptime was 242 days. Maybe now that the local power company has ran some new wires out our way, I can do that again. I lost that 242 days when a hurricane came through and put our lights out.

I been using Linux since about 2003 and have yet to beinfected by any virus or any other security problem.

Originally Posted by dalek I been using Linux since about 2003 and have yet to beinfected by any virus or any other security problem.

Been using linux for 5 years straight. I occasionally use clamav and rkhunter even though not necessary if using linux as a desktop and not a server and I always get zero viruses found with clamav and zero rootkits/suspect applications via rkhunter.

linux is king...

Originally Posted by penguinator I occasionally use clamav and rkhunter even though not necessary if using linux as a desktop and not a server...

Why? Are Linux Desktops inherently more secure?

Originally Posted by sycamorex Why? Are Linux Desktops inherently more secure?

Certainly...

Maybe it's just old bad habits when I used to use windows Anyway, linux may be more immune to viruses but they can get rootkits if not careful. I was just lucky I haven't caught a rootkit yet.

Trojan and virus authors seek the path of least resistance to as large a number of infections as possible. That path does not go through Linux machines.

If 100% of the machines in the world ran Linux, then we (Linux users) would have something to worry about. The way things are now, we don't.

Why waste time writing a virus that could infect maybe 1% of all workstations when you could write one that can infect over 90%?

Originally Posted by penguinator Certainly... Maybe it's just old bad habits when I used to use windows Anyway, linux may be more immune to viruses but they can get rootkits if not careful. I was just lucky I haven't caught a rootkit yet.

I was referring to the notion that Linux Desktops might be more secure than Linux Servers, as one might understand your previous statement Just messing around...

I think they would try but I think it would be much more difficult for them to infect a Linux box. I'm not saying impossible just much more difficult. There will also always be a user that will install a software package named nasty_virus_but_install_anyway_and_I_promise_to_give_you_something_free. There will always be that percentage that just clicks and doesn't think first. For those, there is little to no hope anyway.