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Old 10-23-2015, 04:31 PM   #1
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Opinions of openSUSE Leap


Hi all,

So openSUSE is moving to Leap, and with that comes some changes. The stable non-Tumbleweed distro will have a SLE base with a Tumbleweed desktop, and will be released roughly rough a year alongside SLE service packs, 32-bit support will be dropped, and for a .x release will be supported for 6 months after the next .x release, although the same SLE core will remain the same for three years. What are your opinions about this shift?
 
Old 10-24-2015, 12:21 PM   #2
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What is Leap?

What are your opinions about this?

I was thinking of trying out opensuse.
 
Old 10-24-2015, 05:40 PM   #3
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see the suse news
https://news.opensuse.org/
and wiki
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Leap
 
Old 10-24-2015, 07:09 PM   #4
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The stable non-Tumbleweed distro will have a SLE base with a Tumbleweed desktop
I don't quite get were you get this info from, do you have a link on that? As I read the announcements Leap will just be openSuse based on SLE (previous versions weren't based on SLE), not some stable/rolling mix. I might be wrong with that, so if youhave more infos please share.
 
Old 10-24-2015, 07:27 PM   #5
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I have always been a fan of Suse before Opensuse. I feel their distro's have been quite good.

Saying that however I am using Tumbleweed.
 
Old 10-24-2015, 11:10 PM   #6
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The stable non-Tumbleweed distro will have a SLE base with a Tumbleweed desktop
As in the base packages (I'm supposing the kernel, YaST, systemd, etc) are from SLED, while desktop packages (so we're not using KDE 4 in 2018) are derived from Tumbleweed. I believe 1500 packages are from SLE while the rest are from Leap out of 7000, according to some of the news openSUSE's given out.

My opinion? Personally furious about the lack of an official LiveCD and especially the loss of 32-bit support. Slightly annoyed by the overly vanilla feel its and Tubelweed's Plasma 5 implementations have. I somewhat think some of those changes will hurt the distro, however I'm keeping my mind open, in hopes that the Plasma 5 will mature when the distro's realignment is settled and that maybe there will be a CentOS-like 32-bit support project.

I'm looking more for other opinions and information rather than critique of my own hunches.
 
Old 10-24-2015, 11:14 PM   #7
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Interesting, and somewhat nice to see 32-bit dropped, IMO.
 
Old 10-25-2015, 12:20 AM   #8
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Slightly annoyed by the overly vanilla feel its and Tubelweed's Plasma 5 implementations have. I somewhat think some of those changes will hurt the distro,
I thought KDE had a wide range of configuration options. Have those been removed like with Gnome? Or is it your assessment of most current and/or potential OpenSuse users that customising the default GUI is too difficult for them? It is a serious question, because KDE users rant and rave about KDE's customisation options. So I find your comments very interesting.
 
Old 10-25-2015, 02:58 AM   #9
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As in the base packages (I'm supposing the kernel, YaST, systemd, etc) are from SLED, while desktop packages (so we're not using KDE 4 in 2018) are derived from Tumbleweed. I believe 1500 packages are from SLE while the rest are from Leap out of 7000, according to some of the news openSUSE's given out.
No, the kernel is not from SLE prdouct...

https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Leap#Kernel_Version
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Original plans for Leap were to use the SLE provided Version 3.12 Kernel. However there were concerns regarding the support for new hardware. Takashi Iwai and Richard Brown proposed using the new 4.1 LTS Kernel as the default Kernel in Leap, which was integrated into the distribution on July 22nd
 
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As in the base packages (I'm supposing the kernel, YaST, systemd, etc) are from SLED, while desktop packages (so we're not using KDE 4 in 2018) are derived from Tumbleweed. I believe 1500 packages are from SLE while the rest are from Leap out of 7000, according to some of the news openSUSE's given out.
I am really interested in that, can you please share a link to that information?
 
Old 10-25-2015, 09:09 AM   #11
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Hi,

Maybe this will help: openSUSE releases Leap Beta September 24th, 2015 by Douglas DeMaio
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Today openSUSE released the Beta of Leap 42.1, providing an all new look that deviates from previous versions. The newest regular release from openSUSE has changes to Grub and Plymouth, which provides an impressive introduction to users setting up and using Leap on their hardware or virtual machines.
This new imagery is specific to Leap and openSUSE’s rolling release Tumbleweed will have its own new imagery in the future, which is distinctly different from Leap so users will know what system they are using if they are uses of both distributions.
Users wanting a long-term, stable Linux system can expect Leap to use the most advanced long-term supported branch of the Linux kernel, 4.1 series, which provides significant improvements to ARM hardware architecture.
Anyone who wants to be a tester should download the Beta and test it on their hardware or virtualbox. Testers who do download and try the Beta are encouraged to try their favorite application or simply use it until the scheduled release of Leap’s RC1 on Oct. 15. Testing and reporting bugs will help improve the RC1 release as well as the official release of openSUSE Leap, which is scheduled for release Nov. 4 during SUSECon in Amsterdam.
The Leap Beta reverts back to XDM 1.1.10 rather than 1.1.11, which is available for Tumbleweed and 13.2.
The Beta has an update to KDE Plasma Framwork from 5.12.0 to 5.13.0 and well as additional packages.
There are about 7,200 packages in the Beta.
Leap is developed using core source code from SUSE Linux Enterprise and ingenuity from Free and Open Source Software developers to provide an entirely different distribution for Linux users.
Plus you can see the Roadmap for details.
Hope this helps.
Have fun & enjoy!
 
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Moved: This thread is more suitable in <SUSE / openSUSE> and has been moved accordingly to help your thread/question get the exposure it deserves.
 
Old 10-25-2015, 12:58 PM   #13
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I thought KDE had a wide range of configuration options. Have those been removed like with Gnome? Or is it your assessment of most current and/or potential OpenSuse users that customising the default GUI is too difficult for them? It is a serious question, because KDE users rant and rave about KDE's customisation options. So I find your comments very interesting.
I meant as in the Distro's KDE adaptations (such as the theme and other features added) seem to be slightly less. In terms of customizability, KDE 5 is probably about the same as KDE 4.

@ Ferrari - thanks for catching me on the kernel.

One thing I've noticed over time is that now, especially compared to six months ago, Tumbleweed is pretty stable for how close to the frontier it is. I'll probably use Leap on my only most critical production systems, although it seems like it will be extremely stable.
 
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I meant as in the Distro's KDE adaptations (such as the theme and other features added) seem to be slightly less. In terms of customizability, KDE 5 is probably about the same as KDE 4.
I'm still running both KDE4 & KDE5, and I'd say at the moment there's definitely less to customize with KDE5. Partially because so many features STILL haven't been implemented or have been implemented but don't work properly, but also just because it hasn't been out as long. With my KDE4 installs, I have something like 20 themes that are properly implemented and look good, with KDE5, I've struggled to find 5 that are properly implemented and aren't just cludged versions of KDE4 themes that will install but not work right.
 
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Hi,

Maybe this will help: openSUSE releases Leap Beta September 24th, 2015 by Douglas DeMaioPlus you can see the Roadmap for details.
Hope this helps.
Have fun & enjoy!
Thanks, but I still can't see where people get the information from that about 7000 packages are from Tumbleweed, all it says is that the beta currently contains about 7000 packages.
The statements on the roadmap and the info on the Lifetime Wiki page linked in the roadmap seem to confirm that:
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openSUSE Leap is openSUSE's regular release, which is has the following estimated release cycle:

One minor release is expected approximately every 12 months, aligned with SUSE Linux Enterprise Service Packs
One major release is expected after approximately 36-48 months, aligned with SUSE Linux Enterprise Releases
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openSUSE Leap, the new Regular Release, brings with it a new lifetime

Each Leap Major Release (eg. 42.x) are expected to be supported for at least 36 months, until the next major version of Leap is available (eg. 43.0)

Each Leap Minor Release (eg. 42.1, 42.2, etc) are expected to be released annually, and users are expected to upgrade to the latest minor release within 6 months of its availability, leading to a support lifecycle of 18 months
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openSUSE Leap is the new name for openSUSE's regular releases, which were previously known as just 'openSUSE' for versions 13.2 and earlier.

During the lifetime for Leap and our older Regular Release you will receive:

security updates for all included packages
critical bugfix updates (usually these are found & fixed in the first few months of its lifetime)
So, as I understand it, no rolling on top of a stable core, just regular releases with updates from time to time between the major releases.
 
  


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