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Old 06-28-2004, 06:50 PM   #16
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alright i think the boot disk worked. im at a command prompt from the boot disk i think, but how do i load a gui. i really have no idea what is going on.

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Old 06-28-2004, 07:49 PM   #17
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Quote:
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alright i think the boot disk worked. im at a command prompt from the boot disk i think, but how do i load a gui. i really have no idea what is going on.
I was sleeping while you posted all that. I'm at GMT +08:00.

Well, if you seem to have gotten it installed right this time, we'll skip all but this last post.

When you're at the prompt, type "startx" and enter to start the X server.

If you haven't created a normal user account yet, do so now. That is the first line of defense in the area of security on a GNU/Linux system. Before starting your X server, just type "adduser <name>" and follow the little questions. Should be pretty easy - don't worry about any group names or ID's, etc., just enter for the default at everything (unless you know to do differently) except for the password - do give yourself a different password than you gave the superuser (root). NB: Read the Slackware-HOWTO and learn about passwords, etc. You really should use that document the entire way through it for your install. ;-)

I must tell you, that it is not smart to run a Linux system as root. If you do, you will live to regret it. Create a normal user account if you haven't yet done so, and then logout from root and login as that normal user. Hey, you can even create a user account for you, and one for your girlfriend - or as many user accounts as you need. One cannot touch the others unless you give out the password. ;-)

Which window manager did you choose during install?

You can change the default window manager when you're at that prompt by typing "xwmconfig" and then choosing a different one.

NB: All the above commands should be issued without the quote marks " or signs < >
 
Old 06-28-2004, 08:20 PM   #18
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alright, now i am fairly conviced my cd-rom was the culprit all along. the drive will load off a disk on time and then not recognize it the next time i try to restart. since i no longer trust the cd-rom, i am replacing it and then low level formatting and starting over. thanks for all your help, hopefully ill have it working tomorrow night.

edit: is ext2 the filesystem type i should use? do the partitions you listed for me have to be in that order, or is that order best for performance? does the root partition have to be labeled as bootable?

Last edited by zip22; 06-28-2004 at 08:23 PM.
 
Old 06-28-2004, 08:35 PM   #19
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Quote:
Originally posted by zip22
edit: is ext2 the filesystem type i should use? do the partitions you listed for me have to be in that order, or is that
order best for performance? does the root partition have to be labeled as bootable? [/B]
I use reiserfs, because it is a journalized filesystem. Ext2 is older and isn't journalized.
If you want to know more Google and read about them, okay?

The partitions don't have to be listed in that order. Actually, list / first.

You don't have to have any of them listed as bootable. LiLO will handle it.
 
Old 06-28-2004, 08:51 PM   #20
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nothing is configured with the hardware during the instalation, correct? except for the part which asks about the networking and the modem.

could i install slack onto the harddrive using a different computer, and then use the boot disk and the hard drive in the computer with the sketchy cdrom?
 
Old 06-28-2004, 08:51 PM   #21
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Depending on your gfx card, u might need to install drivers from the command prompt before u can enter X....I know on my Ti4200 I had too install Nvidia's drivers, otherwise i would get a "no screens found" error

As for filesystem, I use ext3 (the middle option)


Edit: You may also need to run 'xorgconf' or 'xorgconfig' before the startx will work also....u need to specify your monitors Horizontal and Vertical refresh rates....so you'll need to look at your monitor specs

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Old 06-28-2004, 08:57 PM   #22
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The kernel that is installed will probe and configure your hardware, yes.
But so many modules are loaded you could probably install on another
comp. It is much better to swap the CD-ROM rather than swapping the
hard drive.

zip my man - read Slackware-HOWTO - print it, read it, follow it as you install.
 
Old 07-01-2004, 01:45 AM   #23
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thanks for all your help, i finally got it running. there are still a few things not working correctly, but finally loging in was wonderful.
i changed the cdrom, and everything worked great. i ended up doing the full install and have ~300MB free on the 3Gb / partition. later on, i hope to get rid of some of the stuff i dont need.

this is definately going to become a bigger and more important project for me, since earlier today my windows box was left without a firewall for <10 hours and i was met by 1 virus, and >300 reg values, programs, and files identified by adaware and spybot


again, thanks for the help and i definately plan on sticking around for a while. hopefully i'll become less of a and i'll actually read something (but seriously, the slackware hotwto left many questions unanswered )
 
Old 07-01-2004, 05:25 AM   #24
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Please post back what doesn't work, and we'll help you get it fixed.
 
Old 07-01-2004, 11:14 AM   #25
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my PCI ethernet card isnt configured so i cant access the internet, but i still have to figure out what model it is. i also have a newer one lying around, so i might put that one in and see if it is configured at start up

lilo doesnt seem to be working correctly. i should be able to set the boot drive to C in the bios, correct? when i do that, nothing boots up. it hangs just as it should be loading something. i have to use the boot cd, but that isnt too bad, and i still have to look at my opttions for configuring lilo.

also, i dont know if this is a problem, but after i return to the command propmt from fluxbox or KDE, there are a bunch of warning messages left over

i havent had that much time to look into these problems yet, but i plan to look through the slackware and lilo documentation some more once i get my windows box reformattted and back on track.
 
Old 07-02-2004, 09:15 AM   #26
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Quote:
Originally posted by zip22
my PCI ethernet card isnt configured so i cant access the internet, but i still have to figure out what model it is. i also have a newer one lying around, so i might put that one in and see if it is configured at start up
As root issue "lspci" and you'll get a list of your pci devices. Your ethernet card will be there.
Here's mine as an example. The first one listed is eth0, next on the list is eth1, etc.
Code:
bash-2.05b# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE Host-to-AGP Bridge (rev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB UHCI #1 (rev 02)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB UHCI #2 (rev 02)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB UHCI #3 (rev 02)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801BA/CA/DB/EB/ER Hub interface to PCI Bridge (rev 82)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) LPC Bridge (rev 02)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) Ultra ATA 100 Storage Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBM (ICH4) SMBus Controller (rev 02)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)
02:05.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5702 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 02)  <-- eth0
02:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)  <-- eth1
02:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)
02:0b.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy MIDI/Game port (rev 03)
Post that, and put [_code_] without the underscores before it, and
[_/code_] without the underscores after it, so it formats easy to read.

Quote:
Originally posted by zip22
lilo doesnt seem to be working correctly. i should be able to set the boot drive to C in the bios, correct? when i do that, nothing boots up. it hangs just as it should be loading something. i have to use the boot cd, but that isnt too bad, and i still have to look at my opttions for configuring lilo.
Setting the hard drive (not C: - that's just Windoze terminology) to boot first only means
that your BIOS searches the boot sector of that drive before searching another drive --
such as a floppy drive, CD-ROM, network drive, etc.

When you installed Slack 10.0, and it came to the part that said INSTALL LILO, did you choose
the "simple" option, "expert" option, or what? LILO is the linux loader which tells
your comp how to load at boot. When you boot right now, what happens? Do you get any
error messages?

Issue "cat /etc/lilo.conf" and post that output coded as suggested above. And just to help
so we can see your system, also issue as root "fdisk -l" and post that, and issue "df -h"
and post that - and please "code" them, also.

Quote:
Originally posted by zip22
also, i dont know if this is a problem, but after i return to the command propmt from fluxbox or KDE, there are a bunch of warning messages left over
Same here - and I can't tell you, either. It's always been that way, and my system works.
For now let's get yours to boot, and if you really want to know about those error messages,
let's address them later.

Quote:
Originally posted by zip22
i havent had that much time to look into these problems yet, but i plan to look through the slackware and lilo documentation some more once i get my windows box reformattted and back on track.
You can find some very good documentation in the files installed on your drive at:
/usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/
/usr/doc/Linux-FAQs/

And by all means, read the Unix and Internet Fundamentals link in my sig. It will help you a lot. :}
 
Old 07-03-2004, 01:08 AM   #27
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first off, how can i copy the output after i enter the commands you listed?


Quote:
Originally posted by Chinaman
As root issue "lspci" and you'll get a list of your pci devices. Your ethernet card will be there.
Here's mine as an example. The first one listed is eth0, next on the list is eth1, etc.
my ethernet card is recognized as
Code:
00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
this ethernet card may have been from when the computer was new, which was a while ago. i think i will try booting with a newer card i have.


Quote:
Originally posted by Chinaman

Setting the hard drive (not C: - that's just Windoze terminology) to boot first only means
that your BIOS searches the boot sector of that drive before searching another drive --
such as a floppy drive, CD-ROM, network drive, etc.
my bios gives the options of booting from A, C, D, E, or CDROM


Quote:
Originally posted by Chinaman

When you installed Slack 10.0, and it came to the part that said INSTALL LILO, did you choose
the "simple" option, "expert" option, or what? LILO is the linux loader which tells
your comp how to load at boot. When you boot right now, what happens? Do you get any
error messages?

Issue "cat /etc/lilo.conf" and post that output coded as suggested above. And just to help
so we can see your system, also issue as root "fdisk -l" and post that, and issue "df -h"
and post that - and please "code" them, also.
well i didnt want to copy down that whole thing, but i chose the simple option. the lilo configuration seems good, i think its a bios issue.

thanks for the help


also, seeing my windows box go down in a flurry of popups got me interested in using my slack computer as a hardware firewall. i realise there are distros like smoothwall and LBU (i think thats what it was), but i was curious if i could do the same thing with slackware, since i dont want just a firewall.
 
Old 07-03-2004, 01:36 AM   #28
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Quote:
Originally posted by zip22
first off, how can i copy the output after i enter the commands you listed?
You can hold down the left button and drag your mouse over the text, and then use
the middle button to paste it into this window. Or, you can use an editor such as gedit
and then highlight the text with your mouse and press Ctrl+C to copy, then use Ctrl+V
to paste in here. Or, you can open in an editor and highlight it by holding down the left
mouse button and then go to the menu above and choose Edit > Copy, then come here
and use the menu to choose Edit > Paste. The possibilites are many. How did you cut
or copy and paste before using Linux? Do it the same, or start dragging the left mouse
button to highlight and then paste with the middle button. That's why I run Linux. :}

Hey, you did an excellent job of posting the code. I just noticed that you can cut or copy
your text and then use that Code button that's in the Post Reply box. Just easier for me to
add it manually.

Quote:
Originally posted by zip22
my ethernet card is recognized as
Code:
00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
this ethernet card may have been from when the computer was new, which was a while ago. i think i will try booting with a newer card i have.
Well, just so's we can help you with the computer you're using now, how about issuing
bash-2.05b# lspci
today. We don't really want to spend our time configuring parts which aren't in your box.
Makes no difference to me which card you use, but just issue "lspci" once you install the
one you want configured now. If you want to leave in the Realtek it's easy enough to
configure - actually the 8139 chipset is one of the most popular. And there's already
support for it in Slackware.

Quote:
Originally posted by zip22
my bios gives the options of booting from A, C, D, E, or CDROM
Fair enough. How many hard drives do you have in that computer? Do you have 3
hard drives, or does it let you choose something you don't have? Tell it C: and we're
going to put LILO in your MBR.

I forget - is this Slackware 10.0 the only OS in this computer?

Quote:
Originally posted by zip22
well i didnt want to copy down that whole thing, but i chose the simple option. the lilo configuration seems good, i think its a bios issue.
Just for kicks, how about posting the contents of /etc/lilo.conf anyway. We can't very well
help you if we don't know what's in there.

Quote:
Originally posted by zip22
thanks for the help
Hey, this is LinuxQuestions.org - Where Linux users come for help! You are the reason
we're here. :}

Quote:
Originally posted by zip22
also, seeing my windows box go down in a flurry of popups got me interested in using my slack computer as a hardware firewall. i realise there are distros like smoothwall and LBU (i think thats what it was), but i was curious if i could do the same thing with slackware, since i dont want just a firewall.
That doesn't have to happen in Windoze, either. Just use Mozilla (or Mozilla Firebird or Mozilla Firefox)
or some other 21st Century browser, rather than M$ Internut Exploder, and you can block pop-ups,
cookies, etc. real easily. When I have to boot into Windoze, I usually don't go online, but if I do then
I use Firefox and never get a piece of spyware or pop-ups except for my bank's pop-up, which I
specifically allow. You don't have to have a firewall to block pop-ups.
 
Old 07-03-2004, 02:40 AM   #29
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Quote:
Originally posted by Chinaman
You can hold down the left button and drag your mouse over the text, and then use
the middle button to paste it into this window. Or, you can use an editor such as gedit
and then highlight the text with your mouse and press Ctrl+C to copy, then use Ctrl+V
to paste in here. Or, you can open in an editor and highlight it by holding down the left
mouse button and then go to the menu above and choose Edit > Copy, then come here
and use the menu to choose Edit > Paste. The possibilites are many. How did you cut
or copy and paste before using Linux? Do it the same, or start dragging the left mouse
button to highlight and then paste with the middle button. That's why I run Linux. :}

Hey, you did an excellent job of posting the code. I just noticed that you can cut or copy
your text and then use that Code button that's in the Post Reply box. Just easier for me to
add it manually.
yeah i only tried a few ways i was used to, but none seemed to work in fluxbox. i changed to kde, and its much better ui wise.

i actually installed the second ethernet card, and lo and behold, its the same chipset.


heres the output of lspci
Code:
root@darkstar:~  lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: ALi Corporation M1541 (rev 04)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: ALi Corporation M1541 PCI to AGP Controller (rev 04)
00:02.0 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03)
00:03.0 Bridge: ALi Corporation M7101 PMU
00:07.0 ISA bridge: ALi Corporation M1533 PCI to ISA Bridge [Aladdin IV] (rev c3)
00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
the output of cat /etc/lilo.conf
Code:
root@darkstar:~  cat /etc/lilo.conf
# LILO configuration file
# generated by 'liloconfig'
#
# Start LILO global section
boot = /dev/hda1
message = /boot/boot_message.txt
prompt
timeout = 1200
# Override dangerous defaults that rewrite the partition table:
change-rules
  reset
# VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x256
vga = 773
# Normal VGA console
# vga = normal
# VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x64k
# vga=791
# VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x32k
# vga=790
# VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x256
# vga=773
# VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x64k
# vga=788
# VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x32k
# vga=787
# VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x256
# vga=771
# VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x64k
# vga=785
# VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x32k
# vga=784
# VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x256
# vga=769
# End LILO global section
# Linux bootable partition config begins
image = /boot/vmlinuz
  root = /dev/hda1
  label = Linux
  read-only
# Linux bootable partition config ends

the output of "fdisk -l" and then "df -h"
Code:
root@darkstar:~# fdisk -l

Disk /dev/hda: 13.6 GB, 13613064192 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1655 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *           1         365     2931831   83  Linux
/dev/hda2             366         397      257040   82  Linux swap
/dev/hda3             398         519      979965   83  Linux
/dev/hda4             520        1655     9124920   83  Linux


root@darkstar:~# df -h
Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda1             2.8G  2.5G  380M  87% /
/dev/hda3             957M   33M  925M   4% /tmp
/dev/hda4             8.8G   34M  8.7G   1% /home

Quote:
Originally posted by Chinaman

Fair enough. How many hard drives do you have in that computer? Do you have 3
hard drives, or does it let you choose something you don't have? Tell it C: and we're
going to put LILO in your MBR.

I forget - is this Slackware 10.0 the only OS in this computer?
only 1 hard drive, and when i tell it to boot from C, it gets to the point in the boot sequence where it should start to load something (either from the hd, or from the floppy, when its set that way), and it just stops and blinks the cursor.

and yes only slackware 10.0 here
 
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i am going to try to update to the last beta bios(1011) from the current 1007. maybe that will help
 
  


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