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Old 11-30-2018, 01:48 PM   #31
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There are other extensions
You're right, there's a list of these things, which explains a lot.
Liked this one for example (it's MIT)
I'll look into that, and a few others, but I'd still prefer browser feature rather than extension.
 
Old 11-30-2018, 02:02 PM   #32
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Thank you Lysander666 for an interesting thread. It seems quite a few people have at least some concerns with where a number of mainstream browsers are going and Vivaldi may qualify as a great substitute. However before I install yet another web browser I'd like to ask you why you left Opera for Chromium and when? What was the last version of Opera you used? I'm asking this because I recently installed Opera 57.1 and was pretty much "knocked out" with it's balance of Features and Simple Quality, especially in handling multimedia. Basically I'd like to hear a comparison of current Opera and current Vivaldi. I may just go ahead and do that myself but it would be nice to hear from someone with more background experience with Opera.
Really in order to go into why I personally moved on one has to go back a bit. I can't remember what the first version of Opera I used was, but it would have been something like 7.4 or 7.5, around mid 2004. As you can imagine it was a very different browser then and used a different engine. ruario would surely be a better Opera-historian than I, but I think it was around version 13 that a lot of big changes happened: Opera changed engine and started following Google, which led to an exodus of developers. This is partly why Vivaldi was created - to be like Opera was around version 12. Another reason why it was so special was that Opera was a hotbed of innovation back in the day [or an "innovation factory" as one friend put it]: they came up with some great ideas which other browsers adopted - the most important being browser tabs, which was an Opera implementation.

I think I left Opera at version 45, when they started integrating Facebook and Whatsapp into the sidebar. That was really it for me. Another reason was that I was having problems with video and audio playback on some sites via Linux, and Chromium solved all these instantly for me. For instance, for the life of me I couldn't get audio playback with Opera in Bandcamp and it drove me mad to have to switch browsers for it. I wanted to do everything in one browser without moving over, and Chromium allowed me to do that.

I can't really compare Opera 57 with Vivaldi since it's been over a year since I used Opera, and I can't really remember now what it was like to use. All I can say is that media playback is great in Vivaldi, customisation is second to none and the browser looks fantastic. It's also good to use a browser which still has old Opera at its heart. If I were you I would try it out. There are fewer privacy concerns too - as far as I'm aware, Opera is now owned by a Chinese company [again, someone else could confirm] which is why a lot of people half-jokingly refer to Opera as "Chinese botnet" - apparently it phones home a lot to China and sends data over there.

I can't verify the Chinese connection though, I haven't looked into it, so please take it with a pinch of salt. But one thing is for sure - Opera now is very different to what it once was, probably in a similar way to how Nokia now is nothing like Nokia used to be - in terms of ownership, functionality and ethics.

More info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ra_web_browser

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Old 11-30-2018, 03:54 PM   #33
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...... - to be like Opera was around version 12. Another reason why it was so special was that Opera was a hotbed of innovation back in the day [or an "innovation factory" as one friend put it]: they came up with some great ideas which other browsers adopted - the most important being browser tabs, which was an Opera implementation...........
Here you go, a little Opera history, as of ten years ago.

http://www.matusiak.eu/numerodix/blo...d-opportunity/

I loved Opera up to and including 12.16, which I still install and use from time to time.

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Old 11-30-2018, 04:37 PM   #34
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DAMMIT! lol... now I have to try Vivaldi
 
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Old 11-30-2018, 04:58 PM   #35
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Compared to the other browsers of the day, Opera (up to version 12.16) was brilliant. I even paid something like 29 euro for the ad-free version. (Version 4 or thereabouts?) Small extras like the right-click menus that made it a pleasure to browse. And the accessibility features, like one-key shortcuts, were second to none. About 15 years ago I introduced it to a customer with very restricted mobility, and she was over the moon. Browsing the internet became so much more pleasurable for her. Then along came Chrome and Firefox, with their dumbed-down interface and accessibility-as-an-afterthought.

Eventually Opera succumbed, and replaced its Presto engine with Google's - not sure if it was Chromium or Blink, but it was so limited it came as a complete shock to those of us who had been using Opera for at least a decade. It was impossible to take on the might of Google and Mozilla, and most people never knew the difference between the Google browser and the Google search engine anyway. Why would they care about Opera? Yes, Vivaldi has also had to incorporate the Chromium engine, and there's no going back to the past, but it is clear that the Vivaldi team respects users, and strives to give them a browser that allows THEM to decide what kind of interface they want, unlike Google and Mozilla, who impose their interface on users whether they like it or not. And no, extensions of varying quality, extensions which might not be around tomorrow, do not compensate for their lack of browser customisation.

In a nutshell what I resent most about Chrome and Firefox is the insulting way Google and Mozilla decide on our behalf what is good for us. The Vivaldi team, on the other hand, are taking user input on board. To me that is 90% of the appeal, and the main reason I unreservedly applaud them, and use their browser.

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Old 11-30-2018, 06:27 PM   #36
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I was using Opera in my NT4 days along with Netscape. Tabs were so ingenious. With tabs I soon left Netscape behind. One great feature of Opera was the link context menu that supported BOTH "Open Link in New Tab" and "Open Link in Background Tab." I love this feature because I never can predict if I want to read now as part of the thinking process of the current tab or read later.

With Firefox I always had to use add-ons to provide that simple feature. Sadly the Quantum version does not yet have a functional API to support context menu modifications. And I still don't use the Quantum version on my systems.

So my simple question: does Vivaldi support these same two simple link context menu options? Methinks "probably" based on this page screenshot.

One hopeful sign about the browser is the web site does not use overlays. Perhaps the developers have half a clue about design.

P.S. Don't tell me to middle-click. Ain't gonna happen.

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It does contact Google, but only to:
Well, poo. I read the replies but my response still remains the same: I am not knowingly connecting to Google.

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We anonymize the IP address of Vivaldi users by removing the last octet of the IP address
That still provides geographical data against those not using a VPN.

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I resent most about Chrome and Firefox is the insulting way Google and Mozilla decide on our behalf what is good for us
Like their insulting I’ll be careful, I promise! dialog.

That all said I should place Vivaldi on my short list of potential Firefox replacements.
 
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Old 11-30-2018, 08:31 PM   #37
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On the recommendation of the OP, I used the SlackBuild for vivaldi and tested it out. OMG, what a difference to Firefox!

For a long time, I've had issues with Firefox hogging ungodly amounts of RAM in a very short period of time, and becoming sluggish/unresponsive. With Vivaldi, however, everything is much faster, and silky-smooth. The features are something that only people who like browsing the web their way would put into it.

I'm going to use Vivaldi as my daily web browser for awhile, see how it performs on a day-to-day basis. Things are looking promising, however.
 
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Old 12-02-2018, 04:02 PM   #38
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Thanks Lysander666 and Ruario!

Finally a good Firefox alternative. Lastpass integration, Tidal support and tabs on the side without plugin; Vivaldi will be my daily browser!

Cheers, Leon.
 
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Old 12-04-2018, 01:31 AM   #39
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Update - It's in and I like it!
 
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Old 12-04-2018, 01:45 AM   #40
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Got rid of it after few days of testing. Interface's cool, didn't like the engine.
 
Old 12-04-2018, 05:46 AM   #41
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Update - It's in and I like it!
Has it moved beyond 1337.51? The main page still says it's that one.

https://vivaldi.com/blog/
 
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Old 12-04-2018, 06:01 AM   #42
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How does one set Vivaldi as default browser? The option in Vivaldi's settings does not seem to work for me.
 
Old 12-04-2018, 06:05 AM   #43
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How does one set Vivaldi as default browser? The option in Vivaldi's settings does not seem to work for me.
Is it possible that it's somehow being overridden by your DE? Which do you use?

EDIT: I don't know if this helps at all:

https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/3115...doesn-t-work/8

Failing that, go all out:

https://www.google.com/search?q=chan...w=1920&bih=979

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Old 12-04-2018, 07:27 AM   #44
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Has it moved beyond 1337.51? The main page still says it's that one.
https://vivaldi.com/blog/
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Minor update (2) for Vivaldi 2.1

november 22, 2018

Today we release a minor update to 2.1 to address “CVE-2018-17479: Use-after-free in GPU”.
so yes (there's been an update) and no (it is still the same stable version).
I do not know if the update has been included in the sources when you download them now.
 
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:43 AM   #45
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From the same page:

so yes (there's been an update) and no (it is still the same stable version).
I do not know if the update has been included in the sources when you download them now.
Looks like ruario's scripts notifies you if there's nothing new to download:

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root@psychopig-xxxiv:/home/lysander/Scripts# ./vivaldi-latest.sh 
Vivaldi stable (2.1.1337.51) is already installed; exiting
 
  


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