Time to say goodbye

ReaperX7 · 02-20-2014, 04:46 PM

It's actually addicting to watch sometimes, but to keep on topic...

When you make a comparison, compare fairly and make sure you've spent enough time with what you are trying to compare something else with or against, and also be subtle, be respectful, and be courteous, and don't use outrageous claims.

I'm not going to go as far as to say I'm a zealot about Slackware as I've used other distributions quite well and liked several of them, but I think a lot of what could be zealotry towards Slackware is just passionate people saying to others to just be fair and respectful to the distribution, as well as the efforts put in by the community, to keep such as timeless project ongoing and unique that it offers so many levels of customization that, even though it doesn't come out of box like other distribution out there, with time, effort, and willingness, you can make it to fit your needs, but just give it a fair chance.

moisespedro · 02-20-2014, 04:54 PM

All those lines going down really fast, sweet

k3lt01 · 02-20-2014, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ReaperX7

Liking a post doesn't mean anything but you have someone agreeing with you, and last I checked LQ doesn't hand out Brownie Points for "likes".

I seriously don't care if someone likes my posts or thinks they're not relevant my point was that although Cynwulf thought part of my post was not relevant others may and they have shown that by clicking yes. Some people agree quietly, others don't and have to post their thoughts. It is a choice thing. Cynwulf has the choice to think what he thinks others have the choice to think what they think. Are you someone who has the right to take that choice away? No, I didn't think so.

Please PM me if you want me to reply to anything else, this thread has had its run.

touch21st · 02-20-2014, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by vdemuth

After well over 10 years using Slackware, the time has come for me to say goodbye, well, to the desktop at least.
I will keep my server running S14, simply because of the reliability and stability of it and because that seems to be it's strength.

But, as for the desktop, I have finally admitted defeat at the hands of trying to compile once again various bits of software I wanted to try out, and the 3 hours + that it took to build the latest kdenlive, hunting down and compiling all the dependencies, and dependencies of dependencies and dependencies of dependencies of dependencies etc etc left me with 3 hours less time to actually use it.

Expecting all the "but that's what makes Slackware great" fans to step in here BTW, but hey ho.

I'm just getting to old for this crap and so have installed Suse. And what a difference. It boots faster, runs faster and installing software is so easy. I even broke it on purpose to see how to repair it and guess what, it even repairs faster and easier. So if Slackware as a desktop scores somewhere around 80% satisfaction, Suse adds at least 15% to that so far. Still looking for the 100% though

So it is somewhat sadly that I wish you all a fond farewell. I may be back, but I very much doubt it at the moment. Time will of course tell.

Many thanks to all who have helped me in the past and those that have put up with my occasional rants.

Cheers all.

Suse's better for workstation than slackware, with stronger support. I want to use opensuse on workstation in the future, and now new for slackware 14.1, which's intresting too. I think slackware should pay more attention to publishing books as microsoft. More customers would come, when more persons have been familar with the distro. The power of business is strong, and the developers can enjoy a better life with more money. Money's just a type of tools, and much cleaner than persons.

touch21st · 02-20-2014, 08:37 PM

Suse was developed based on slackware. Ubuntu LTS should be perfect on desktop, but I don't like unity, and they may be walking out of IT. Fedora's not very stable, and the packages of debian are a bit old. slackpkg's worse than apt. what about pacman?

salemboot · 02-20-2014, 08:49 PM

The whole talk about dependency resultion -- perhaps better destined for a more appropriate thread -- is ludicris at best.
There are too many permutations for it to be plausable. Add in the complexity of offering 32-bit binaries on top of a 64 bit system and you'll soon discover broken packages with no resolution. Nobody is checking every single possibly package combination. It's broke!

Honestly, Valve made a tragic mistake using Debian for their SteamBox. They could have free'd up considerable resources not having SELINUX compiled on top of their base stack. Not to forget the whole AppArmor thing, that's overhead as well.

Another observation, Novel/SUSE signed with Microsoft to settle on any future patent crap. At least Canonical/Ubuntu didn't. Neither did Slackware.

By the way,
This is the insult:
--> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...xdistros&num=1 <--

_/REB0oT/_

ReaperX7 · 02-20-2014, 09:34 PM

Nobody takes Phoronix seriously anymore.

Benchmarking distributions against each other without a common baseline, is beyond impossible to get any level of accuracy. Not only that, but they tested a BETA edition of Slackware, not a finalized edition. Even then Slackware is designed around stability, not speed.

If anything Phoronix is an insult to UNIX IT computing in general. They have some good articles about new stuff coming out, but after that, it's all scrapings from the bottom of the septic tank.

jtsn · 02-21-2014, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by salemboot

Honestly, Valve made a tragic mistake using Debian for their SteamBox.

They started with Ubuntu then used Debian as a base for "forking" SteamOS. Sooner or later they will end up with a very customized und optimized OS. Maybe it will become more successful (by numbers) than Ubuntu ever was... Time will tell.

moisespedro · 02-21-2014, 08:38 AM

I am almost coming back to slackware, it is too strong to resist

Darth Vader · 02-21-2014, 09:09 AM

So long, vdemuth!

brianL · 02-21-2014, 10:13 AM

Hammer Horror presents: "The Thread That Would Not Die!".

xspartan · 02-21-2014, 11:29 AM

Life is so strange sometimes. After 10 years the opposite thing happened to me. I realised that Slackware is the most user friendly distro. But if someone cares about dependencies he can try Salix. OpenSuse is a nice distro but i wonder how life will be with Yast

You will either love it or hate it...

sycamorex · 02-21-2014, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by brianL

Hammer Horror presents: "The Thread That Would Not Die!".

Perhaps it will turn into a sticky super mega thread: True Slackers drink only Scotch AKA how the lack of dependency resolution may spice up your love life... And stuff!

off-topic · 02-21-2014, 01:14 PM

I encourage all of you to post in this thread, provided your honor my nickname.

jjthomas · 02-22-2014, 08:43 AM

Well heck, to kick a dead horse:

To give up on Slackware, after only spending 3 hours installing dependencies, yada ydada, is laughable for me. I spent a week installing GNUCash, after gnome was dropped.

I've used SuSE, after the second time it ate my hard disk, I gave up on it. A friend swears by it though, it's just not for me. I've used both PC and FreeBSD. Never could get them working the way I wanted. They're still awesome, IMHO. I've used the various *buntu's. Had lots of stability problems. My VPS hosting company uses CentOS for my website, I'm very happy with it. It was another OS I could not get work with everything I wanted to do here at home. I like Fedora, but it has a short life.

Debian has been the most easiest I've had to install. And I can get it to work... my problem is I can't troubleshoot it when things go sideways.

There are a lot of distros out there. Most are good. The problem is no matter what distro you use, once you get away from the defaults, you're on your own. At least with Slackware, one can come to these forums and get help.

Dependencies. I don't recalling installing anything that was outside of the distributions main packages that didn't require me to go hunting for some obscure dependency.

I, too, have drifted away from Slackware. I've never felt the need to post about it.

-JJ