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Old 08-29-2018, 01:33 AM   #31
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I think that those people does not work for the user needs, but rather they see their software as something like a show-case for Qt, which after all get its money from the automotive industry. And they write code just to write code and to justify their payments.
I was intrigued by your statement. I know there are companies and devs doing exactly what you said: to reinvent the wheel as a way to justify their payments.

But is KDE doing that? Well, I've read their KDE e.V. COMMUNITY REPORT to find out.

In 2016, KDE e.V. spent €339.107,54 while raised €351.275,43. From the amount spent, €18.230,30 was reported as 'personnel costs'.

Am I crazy or KDE devs are the cheapest of the world? Is KDE e.V. the company paying KDE devs salaries?

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Old 08-29-2018, 05:29 AM   #32
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To be honest, I believe they are fully aware about all those issues, just that they does not care.

I think that those people does not work for the user needs, but rather they see their software as something like a show-case for Qt, which after all get its money from the automotive industry. And they write code just to write code and to justify their payments.

I know, I know, the Open Source is great, BUT a software of dimension of Plasma5 cannot be written by a bunch of volunteers. Because it is just too big.

Someone had to pay a number of programmers which work for it as a job. And like I said, they should justify their activity, that's why they dump everything every 5 years, and rewrite everything from scratch.

Cares someone that a very useful feature, invented by themselves a lot of years ago, is not (yet?) implemented? Cares someone that KWin effects does not play well with NVIDIA graphics cards? Cares someone that those KWin effects loads several times more the graphics cards, while doing nothing useful in plus?

I for one I believe that they do not care.

They care instead about the number of lines of source code written monthly, they care about their wet dreams of entering on the tablets market (hence their obsession with Wayland), they care about many other things. BUT, the (traditional) Linux users are the last one.

And I am afraid that they most care about the (next to be) Qt6 release on A.D. 2020, which for them is a brilliant occasion to dump again everything and to write Plasma6 from scratch. So many source code to be written!
I don't see any good reason to keep on going like this, insulting large groups of people. It seems you find someone new to annoy every month.

If you have an issue, create bug reports and share the URLs in this forum if you want. But stop accusing everybody that they do a bad job only because you are incapable of moving along.

If you read the Qt company's half-year report for 2018 (https://www.qt.io/stock/halfyear-rep...800000-2245404) you'll notice that it not just automotive where they earn their money. These customers would not pay for licenses if the Qt libraries are a crappy product with a shady roadmap. All of these customers invest for the long term of their own products. Have you ever worked in automation, automotive or medical? Big companies? Then you would know that there are many alternatives to design and create embedded applications. The Qt software is pervasive these days because it is a good and scalable platform, maintained and developed by highly skilled people, and don't forget that this once-closed source code is now free to use in Open Source projects. This is a major win for us.
So please stop being the arrogant romanian on his high horse.
 
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Old 08-29-2018, 05:55 AM   #33
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I was intrigued by your statement. I know there are companies and devs doing exactly what you said: to reinvent the wheel as a way to justify their payments.

But is KDE doing that? Well, I've read their KDE e.V. COMMUNITY REPORT to find out.

In 2016, KDE e.V. spent 339.107,54 while raised 351.275,43. From the amount spent, 18.230,30 was reported as 'personnel costs'.

Am I crazy or KDE devs are the cheapest of the world? Is KDE e.V. the company paying KDE devs salaries?
As far as I heard, it's Blue Systems that pays most devs, and this money does not go into KDE e.V report.

beside that, I think KDE 5 does just fine on high DPI displays, a topic that is/was of a certain pain for Linux users in the last years in general
just did an openSUSE Leap install recently on a 14" WQHD (2560 x 1440) Laptop, I just added a number to the ssdm config, and everything looks good
 
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As far as I heard, it's Blue Systems that pays most devs, and this money does not go into KDE e.V report.
Oh! I see... thanks for clarifying this.

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beside that, I think KDE 5 does just fine on high DPI displays, a topic that is/was of a certain pain for Linux users in the last years in general
just did an openSUSE Leap install recently on a 14" WQHD (2560 x 1440) Laptop, I just added a number to the ssdm config, and everything looks good
What you saying is that you've got results similar to this one posted by @gdiazlo only by setting -dpi to a particular value in sddm.conf? You haven't touched font DPI or display scale in Plasma5?
 
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As far as I heard, it's Blue Systems that pays most devs, and this money does not go into KDE e.V report.
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A quick research on Blue Systems shows they are a closed and very low profile company with no public business plan or info whatsoever, including on how they make their earnings. Actually, Blue Systems is the one in charge (itself or by its subsidiaries) of almost anything KDE, from Plasma to KDE Store.
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Oh! I see... thanks for clarifying this.



What you saying is that you've got results similar to this one posted by @gdiazlo only by setting -dpi to a particular value in sddm.conf? You haven't touched font DPI or display scale in Plasma5?
You can also specify the server DPI on sddm. This is useful when the primary screen is hidpi. Also there is an option about enabling QT auto hidpi (disabled by default in ktown sddm iirc). But this option requires that your monitor reports correct data to the systems, and is not always the case.

These options are related to the KDE5 UI scale, I think that UI scale is a QT setting. There is more info here: https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/highdpi.html
 
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You can also specify the server DPI on sddm. This is useful when the primary screen is hidpi. Also there is an option about enabling QT auto hidpi (disabled by default in ktown sddm iirc). But this option requires that your monitor reports correct data to the systems, and is not always the case.

These options are related to the KDE5 UI scale, I think that UI scale is a QT setting. There is more info here: https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/highdpi.html
@gdiazlo, please, read the entire thread again in details. If you do, you'll see that I know about the DPI settings on SDDM and also about QT_SCALE_FACTOR.

Please stop polluting the thread with irrelevant information.
 
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@gdiazlo, please, read the entire thread again in details. If you do, you'll see that I know about the DPI settings on SDDM and also about QT_SCALE_FACTOR.

Please stop polluting the thread with irrelevant information.
Great! thank you for your kindness and good heart. Someone might find the reference to the QT documentation useful though.
 
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Actually, Blue Systems is the one in charge (itself or by its subsidiaries) of almost anything KDE, from Plasma to KDE Store
I think that "in charge of" is a bit far-fetched. They do sponsor KDE heavily though, by offering jobs to several core KDE developers (including hiring Jonathan Riddell after he was kicked out of Canonical/Kubuntu). Darth Vader, are you reading?

A more to the point statement (as shown on their web page) is that Blue Systems is a "Patron of KDE". The company is funded through inheritance money of its founder. It does not really have a business model other than to "advance free software"; see for instance this list of KDE related projects they foster: http://www.blue-systems.com/projects/
 
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What you saying is that you've got results similar to this one posted by @gdiazlo only by setting -dpi to a particular value in sddm.conf? You haven't touched font DPI or display scale in Plasma5?
everything I use has the right size. it it's similar to what the OP says, I might have different use cases
editors, video, coding, web browsing, sometimes office

did the same one year back on a similar hardware with Gnome, this was much harder to configure

so I think KDE5 does for the high DPI thing, that is a problem since long time for all desktop environments, a good job.

we do not have the luxury of apple to say we know all displays and they are a multiple of X to show things right,
and on Windows, before Windows 10, DPI have been a pain.
So I see no real reason to complain, but sure, some people will always find something, as there might always bee some use case that is special

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A quick research on Blue Systems shows they are a closed and very low profile company with no public business plan or info whatsoever, including on how they make their earnings. Actually, Blue Systems is the one in charge (itself or by its subsidiaries) of almost anything KDE, from Plasma to KDE Store.
</off-topic>
What I know/heard, a philanthropic person who uses the wealthy he got to to good for open source
 
Old 08-30-2018, 01:50 AM   #41
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everything I use has the right size. it it's similar to what the OP says, I might have different use cases
editors, video, coding, web browsing, sometimes office
I wish you had reply in an objective way to what I asked you. It's not possible to extract nothing conclusive from this answer. But never mind...

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So I see no real reason to complain, but sure, some people will always find something, as there might always bee some use case that is special
Then we have a solution! If you see no reason to complain, nobody can complain, right! World peace at last!

C'mon... You guys make me laugh!

If Mac OS X leads the way and Windows 10 is better now, why KDE could not? I own two pretty common hardware where issues arise. Maybe someone smarter enough to discuss objectively could step-in and talk about the facts exposed here, not about what she does or doesn't think about my opinion in the end of the OP, because I can't care less about what people think of my opinion (except the very few ones I truly respect, and they know who they are).

If nobody decides to talk about the facts given in this thread, then I declare my participation here finished.

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Old 08-30-2018, 04:12 AM   #42
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I wish you had reply in an objective way to what I asked you.
sorry, I tried my best to tell you that the desktop and all apps I use look good (for me, what is subjective in nature)

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It's not possible to extract nothing conclusive from this answer. But never mind...


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If Mac OS X leads the way and Windows 10 is better now, why KDE could not? I own two pretty common hardware where issues arise. Maybe someone smarter enough to discuss objectively could step-in and talk about the facts exposed here, not about what she does or doesn't think about my opinion in the end of the OP, because I can't care less about what people think of my opinion (except the very few ones I truly respect, and they know who they are).

If nobody decides to talk about the facts given in this thread, then I declare my participation here finished.
I meant with OP the poster of the question you refereed to, maybe this confused you?
if so, sorry for being unclear, no need to become that snappy, OK? I mean, I tried to help you and gave you info you asked/not had before.
Next time, just put a list of people in your post whose answers you respect, than you prevent others who want to help wasting time.
Bye!
 
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Old 08-30-2018, 04:28 AM   #43
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just put a list of people in your post whose answers you respect, than you prevent others who want to help wasting time.
No lists required. I respect those few ones by default, but also anyone who is able to:
  1. Stick with the facts;
  2. Let personal opinions aside;
  3. Understand and use the RFC 2119 or the MoSCoW method.

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