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Old 11-05-2013, 11:47 PM   #76
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If it's any consolation I have an LFS box chugging along with RunIt working fairly well without any hiccups either. Boots decent in speed and services work. Had to hand write a few scripts that didn't exist, but I got it all configured and working within a day.

Doesn't even require that damned PAM library either... nor dbus, libcap, attr, or any of that other unwarranted list of libraries and dependencies systemd wants and requires.
Hi Reaper,

This is OT, but if you don't mind sharing, I would like to know the package management that you are using for LFS. Is it the original one as proposed in the LFS book or something else?
 
Old 11-05-2013, 11:49 PM   #77
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I use simple "make install", and "make uninstall" with stored pre-configured archives with documentation on which tools are where if they need to be removed by hand. It's simple and easy and the default package management system for UNIX.
 
Old 11-05-2013, 11:52 PM   #78
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I use simple "make install", and "make uninstall" with stored pre-configured archives with documentation on which tools are where if they need to be removed by hand. It's simple and easy and the default package management system for UNIX.
correct me if i'm wrong, but not all sources come with "make uninstall"?
 
Old 11-05-2013, 11:58 PM   #79
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Yes, true, that's why I keep documentation if I am simply copy-pasting.
 
Old 11-06-2013, 12:03 AM   #80
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Yes, true, that's why I keep documentation if I am simply copy-pasting.
Noted. Thanks for sharing. I personally feel that your approach is a very clean one.
 
Old 11-06-2013, 12:14 AM   #81
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Well, package management makes it easier, but it's no less clean or messy. Slackware's pkgtools more or less use scripts that do the same things as a make install/uninstall and copy-paste/remove.

RunIt by no means is better than sysvinit as far as I can see, but it does have some useful tools to monitor things and keep service daemons running, but it is based on simple scripting like sysvinit, bsdinit, and various others. Stuff sysvinit doesn't have. However, in terms of intrusion, RunIt is far less intrusive as other init systems.

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Old 11-06-2013, 12:46 AM   #82
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@Moderator. I have a suggestion here. I'm also a regular in various french user forums, and these all have traditionnally a section called "Le Café du Commerce" or "Le Bistrot", meaning something like "The Café", "The Bar" or "The Pub". This section is meant for threads that aren't technical strictly speaking, but tend to drift off in a philosophical or political or whatever non-technical direction, or with only a very loose connection to the main topics at hand. In my humble opinion, this sort of forum section is quite useful. Folks can vent their odd rants (no disregard here, since I like to do so myself occasionally) without being accused of tediousness (of course, they still have to respect the basic rules of human interaction). And the strictly technical majority of users can enjoy a high signal-to-noise ratio in the forum by simply ignoring this section. Thus, threads that get out of hand or nowhere (or both) can be simply moved there instead of being closed down, so there's no bad blood.

Cheers,

Niki

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Old 11-06-2013, 01:09 AM   #83
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@Moderator. I have a suggestion here. I'm also a regular in various french user forums, and these all have traditionnally a section called "Le Café du Commerce" or "Le Bistrot", meaning something like "The Café", "The Bar" or "The Pub". This section is meant for threads that aren't technical strictly speaking, but tend to drift off in a philosophical or political or whatever non-technical direction, or with only a very loose connection to the main topics at hand. In my humble opinion, this sort of forum section is quite useful. Folks can vent their odd rants (no disregard here, since I like to do so myself occasionally) without being accused of tediousness (of course, they still have to respect the basic rules of human interaction). And the strictly technical majority of users can enjoy a high signal-to-noise ratio in the forum by simply ignoring this section. Thus, threads that get out of hand or nowhere (or both) can be simply moved there instead of being closed down, so there's no bad blood.

Cheers,

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It feels like whenever I visit here, most of the threads are a lot of circlejerks about how awesome Slackware is "un grand café". Much less technical questions and answers. It tends to keep me away most of the year.
 
Old 11-06-2013, 01:26 AM   #84
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@Moderator. I have a suggestion here. I'm also a regular in various french user forums, and these all have traditionnally a section called "Le Café du Commerce" or "Le Bistrot", meaning something like "The Café", "The Bar" or "The Pub". This section is meant for threads that aren't technical strictly speaking, but tend to drift off in a philosophical or political or whatever non-technical direction, or with only a very loose connection to the main topics at hand. In my humble opinion, this sort of forum section is quite useful. Folks can vent their odd rants (no disregard here, since I like to do so myself occasionally) without being accused of tediousness (of course, they still have to respect the basic rules of human interaction). And the strictly technical majority of users can enjoy a high signal-to-noise ratio in the forum by simply ignoring this section. Thus, threads that get out of hand or nowhere (or both) can be simply moved there instead of being closed down, so there's no bad blood.

Cheers,

Niki
Actually that's a pretty good idea.

I was really frustrated after 2 months of putting up with systemd, and hence, the let off. I do apologies if it has been a nuisance to some here.

Another reason for posting here is because I really hope Slackware will not move in the same direction as the other major distros, but it seems that there's great faith that things will be done in proper and good sense even if we do.

And Slackware is awesome not because I or someone else claims it to be. It's simply user experience. For those who really give it a shot, can hardly say anything nasty about it.
 
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It feels like whenever I visit here, most of the threads are a lot of circlejerks about how awesome Slackware is "un grand café". Much less technical questions and answers. It tends to keep me away most of the year.
And it seems that you like to comment in those threads. Such is the irony of life
 
Old 11-06-2013, 01:57 AM   #86
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@Moderator. I have a suggestion here. I'm also a regular in various french user forums, and these all have traditionnally a section called "Le Café du Commerce" or "Le Bistrot", meaning something like "The Café", "The Bar" or "The Pub". This section is meant for threads that aren't technical strictly speaking, but tend to drift off in a philosophical or political or whatever non-technical direction, or with only a very loose connection to the main topics at hand. In my humble opinion, this sort of forum section is quite useful...
Seconded. There are few "Slackware" places that are good for doing that - my first thought is ##slackware, but a forum would be handy as well.
 
Old 11-06-2013, 03:37 AM   #87
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@Moderator. I have a suggestion here. I'm also a regular in various french user forums, and these all have traditionnally a section called "Le Café du Commerce" or "Le Bistrot", meaning something like "The Café", "The Bar" or "The Pub". This section is meant for threads that aren't technical strictly speaking, but tend to drift off in a philosophical or political or whatever non-technical direction, or with only a very loose connection to the main topics at hand. In my humble opinion, this sort of forum section is quite useful. Folks can vent their odd rants (no disregard here, since I like to do so myself occasionally) without being accused of tediousness (of course, they still have to respect the basic rules of human interaction). And the strictly technical majority of users can enjoy a high signal-to-noise ratio in the forum by simply ignoring this section. Thus, threads that get out of hand or nowhere (or both) can be simply moved there instead of being closed down, so there's no bad blood.

Cheers,

Niki
You mean something like General?
 
Old 11-06-2013, 03:52 AM   #88
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You mean something like General?
No. "General" is something different. "General" means something like "I have a technical question but I don't quite know where to post it". Whereas "Le Bistrot" is more in the line of "let's all lean back, have a virtual beer, and here's a silly thought that crossed my mind".
 
Old 11-06-2013, 04:11 AM   #89
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Actually, now that I look at it, general says:
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This forum is for non-technical general discussion which can include both Linux and non-Linux topics. Have fun!
And it's full of people just talking about random stuff. That sounds about right.
 
Old 11-06-2013, 04:26 AM   #90
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Actually, now that I look at it, general says:

And it's full of people just talking about random stuff. That sounds about right.
OK. I stand corrected. So maybe a good thing would be to move all the Slackware-versus-Systemd related discussions to "General"... at least until Systemd effectively becomes a part of Slackware.
 
  


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