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Old 07-09-2017, 12:26 PM   #421
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Darth, thanks for your remarks.

Short answer: sorry but no, we won't stay closer to Slackware and wont get rid of slapt-get, slapt-src, spkg, graphical tools and so on.

Yes the initial duty was, as you wrote "Slackware for those who do not speak English" and stayed so for Slint versions 13.37, 14.0 and 14.1.

However, I then realized that Patrick Volkerding would not adopt the internationalized installer in a foreseeable future, and this contributed to change the duty of the project, as now stated in Slint's website:
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Originally the Slackware internationalization project, Slint is now a Linux distribution based on Slackware and Salix. It is polyglot, versatile, beginner friendly, and accessible for the visually impaired. A full Slint installation is functional out of the box and it can be tailored to fit most computing requirements.
I understand that this new orientation, put in effect in Slint 14.2, makes the title of this thread now inaccurate or misleading. Maybe I should rewrite it "Slint (formerly the Slackware Internationalization Project)" or something like that?

I also realize that probably very few Slackware users will migrate to Slint. That's fine with me.

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Old 07-09-2017, 12:36 PM   #422
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Please fix my mistake.

I made a mistake in the recent update of slapt-get, that makes it unable to install packages (it can still upgrade or remove packages).

To fix that, in case you need to install packages before a fixed slapt-get hits the mirrors, please make a symlink typing as root:
Code:
ln -s /sbin/sbpkg /sbin/spkg
Sorry for the inconvenience.

EDIT slapt-get packages have been uploaded, using spkg as back end for all functions again, thus this symlink is no more necessary.

PS @Darth Vader: bad luck, you just suffered of that bug my stupid mistake that prevented installation of libreoffice-l10n-zh-CN and mozilla-firefox-l10n-zh-CN with "slapt-get -i". Oh and I'll try to have these locale packages included, at least added at end of installation when the locale zh_CN.utf8 is chosen for the installed system.

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Old 07-11-2017, 05:59 AM   #423
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Upcoming Slint ISOs version 14.2.1

I plan to provide new Slint ISOs shortly, version 14.2.1

They will include the fixed spkg and this will be an opportunity to provide updated packages so that the system be up to date on release day, a few fixes and maybe some tuning of the base user configuration, like setting geany instead of pluma as default text editor and not mounting removable devices by default in PCManFM, or removing Orage from lxpanel, more consistent keyboard shortcuts across WMs.

I also plan to add an LXDE desktop with FVWM as window manager, as we already have most of the needed packages, and in /etc/slapt-get/slapt-getrc include a line sourcing one of the sbrepos provided by Alien BOB, making easier to install Eric's Chromium, VLC or Calibre packages for instance.

Comments are welcome, as usual.

PS I will include translation updates (thanks Dan-Simon for yours of pkgtools).

I would be grateful that some of the close_to_100% translations of the slint-14.2 resource be completed.

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Old 07-11-2017, 06:14 AM   #424
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Didier, thanks for explanations. At least I know where the things gone south. And no problem, anyone can do mistakes.

Also, I wish all the best to your journey with SLINT.

To be honest, I entered in this game with some false premises, also my mistake to not figure out quickly about what I have in hand. Expected your old way or at least a Slackware compilation, with a very similar objective.

So, I will give another take to SLINT, with the first occasion.

BTW, my friend said that he discovered somewhere the Slackware Book translated in Chinese. If is useful for you this, I will ask him about link.

PS. To not forget that I managed to end well my adventure of installing Slackware in Chinese, without to have a clue about language, specially because of your detailed explanations about using the Asian Languages. Thanks again!

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Old 08-13-2017, 06:40 AM   #425
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Slint64-14.2.1 is available for testing.

A beta ISO for Slint64-14.2.1 is available here.

Slint version 14.2.1 includes a new desktop: LXDE associated with an FVWM window manager instead of Openbox, and provides a few new and upgraded packages, some removals and bug fixes as well as a few added packages, mostly needed as dependencies of others.

Big change "under the hood": all packages that previously came from a Salix or an extra-14.2 repository have been rebuilt and are now stored in a Slint repository, some upgraded.

This change, not directly visible for the user, will bring more flexibility when adding repositories of third-party packages to slapt-getrc, the user being able to choose which ones will have priority over others, and will allow to deal with security issues more easily.

slap-getrc includes a source for AlienBOB's sbrepos[1], that you can just enable to use it. Read the instructions in slapt-get as well as the WARNINGS in this README.

This results in many added, removed and rebuilt packages in a big batch of updates on the occasion of the 14.2.1 release.

All these updates are listed in the ChangeLog, see under 10 and 12 August 2017

Packages upgraded:
fbterm 3.7 => 3.8
geany 1.28 => 1.31
geany-plugins 1.28 => 1.31
grub 2.00 => 2.02
lxpanel 0.9.2 => 0.9.3
inkscape 0.91 => 0.92.2
libreoffice 5.1.4 => 5.3.4
lxc 2.0.1 => 2.0.8
mlterm 3.7.2 => 3.8.2
pandoc 1.17.0.1 => 1.19.2

All Slackware patches are applied up to and including the updates dated Fri Aug 11 23:02:43 UTC 2017 in the Stable ChangeLog for x86_64.

Once this new version will have been tested enough, the updates will be brought to Slint-14.2 repository, allowing current Slint users to upgrade without re-installing.

I will provide instructions so that this upgrade be as painless as possible, as upgrading won't be optional: this way I won't have to maintain two separate repositories in the long term. I took care not to make any change that would have needed installing packages not available in the Slackware and Slint repositories.

On the other hand, new users won't have to first apply all patches applicable to Slackware 14.2 on day of release.

How-to test:
  • Install.
  • Edit as root /etc/slapt-get/slapt-getrc, replacing:
    Code:
    SOURCE=http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-14.2/:PREFERRED
    by:
    Code:
    SOURCE=http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/:PREFERRED

Test reports are welcome in this thread as well as in the Slint forum @ Salix, especially but not limited to tests of the upgraded packages. And of course, I'd like to know what you think of LXDE with FVWM.

I would like to thank all people who helped me bring up this new version.

I take this occasion to announce that Dimitris Tzemos aka djemos is now a member of the Slint team. I look forward to learn a lot from him. As a reminder, Dimitris is the maintainer of the Slackel distribution since 2005. He is also a member of the Salix team, so that's good for synergy among distributions based on Slackware.

Of course other volunteers are welcome to join Slint!

Have fun,
Didier

PS:
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So, I will give another take to SLINT, with the first occasion.
This is the first occasion. Don't miss it

[1]To be picky I should have written one of the sbrepos as Eric provides several, fed with hard links from its main repository to save space. I used the same technique to create the lxde set of packages. This will allow current Slint users to install only the new or upgraded packages from this set (others were already shipped) just typing "slapt-get --install-set lxde".

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Old 08-16-2017, 06:44 AM   #426
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Did an install of the new iso to my main laptop. Haven't had much time to work it out, but the install, with LXDE desktop, went without problems. I didn't have the usual problem with my laptop detecting the usb flash drive which I believe is the result of you using isolinux instead of grub. Hopefully I will find more time over the next few days to work it out.

Also booted up the installer on my son's new gaming computer which has 256G NVMe with Win 10 installed. Although I didn't do an install, I wanted to see if it could detect the ESP on the NVMe drive, which it did.
 
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Old 10-07-2017, 06:50 PM   #427
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Slint64-14.2.1 release candidate, fully accessible to visually impaired users.

Hello,

an ISO image of Slint64-14.2.1RC is available here.

Main change since post #425: Slint is now fully accessible to visually impaired users using speech and|or a braille device, during installation as in an installed system, in a console as in most graphical environments: Blackbox, Fluxbox, Fvwm, LXDE, XFCE, WindowMaker, and Maté if installed by the user.

Furthermore, zero configuration post installation is needed for the first regular user created during installation to get speech.

To increase the accessibility of graphical environments, the same key bindings are set in all of them:
Alt+F1 pops up the panel's Application menu
Alt+F2 pops up a Run dialog (but in Fluxbox)
Alt+F4 closes the focused window
Alt+Tab cycle between windows, giving the raised one the focus.

Also, all panels' application menus shipped have the same layout. From top to bottom:
Terminal emulator (lxterminal by default)
File manager (PCManfm by default)
Web browser (Mozilla Firefox by default)
Mail client (Mozilla Thunderbird by default)
Preferences
Slint Dashboard (alas non accessible yet as it's a Qt4 app)
Applications sorted by category
Run dialog
Logout dialog

Cf. the files in http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/, mostly:
README
ACCESSIBILITY
and for the gory details the ChangeLog, including the packages that were added, upgraded and rebuilt.

Current users of Slint-14.2 should not need to reinstall, cf. in the upgrade subdirectory README-UPGRADE.

I will require testing by more visually impaired users before declaring 14.2.1 released.

Thank to the many people who helped, especially Daniele Moriya Martins de Souza - A.K.A. Aiyumi. Her initial work and this blog post got me started.

In addition to the forum, our mailing list can be used for feedback, questions and suggestions.

Last edited by Didier Spaier; 10-08-2017 at 09:15 AM. Reason: Precisions added about default software in applications menu.
 
Old 11-13-2017, 01:26 PM   #428
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Slint64-14.2.1RC2 is available, last call for testing and translating.

1. Testing

Last call means "all bug reports and comments posted before Monday 20 November 2017 will be looked at before the official release."

The ISO is here:
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/slint-testing/iso/

Most prominent change since the first release candidate: lightdm replaces lxdm as display manager.

This allows to make Slint fully accessible with speech and braille, now also at runlevel 4, i.e. starting directly a graphical environment after log in.

Some KDE apps like lokalize (not the KDE desktop itself) are now also accessible.

On the other hand installing KDE is now optional.

emacspeak as speechd-el are included, so emacs has now three ways to speak, including espeakup. You may use all three at the same time, if you don't fear cacophony...

A documentation for each package is installed in /usr/doc/package-<version>.

As a reminder, MATE can be easily added to Slint, with these commands typed as root:
slept-get -u
slapt-get --install-set mate

It is fully accessible with speech, as much as possible with braille.

Please read carefully the relevant documents before installing or upgrading and testing:

Before installing:
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/sli...ing/iso/README
This one is a *must* read.

More specifically about accessibility:
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/sli.../ACCESSIBILITY

If you have already installed Slint64-14.2 or slint64-14.2.1RC and prefer to upgrade than install anew, you should also read:
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/sli...README-UPGRADE

More specifically, folks having installed Slint64-4.2.1RC are encouraged to also read:
http://slackware.uk/slint/x86_64/sli...from-rc-to-rc2.

I am looking forward for your feedback and questions.

2. Translating

A very few short messages (six, to be accurate) are new or updated in Slint64-14.2.1.

They can be accessed from this page:
https://www.transifex.com/didier_spa...int/slint-142/

You need to login first to display this page, and if you are not yet registered on Transifex, you should first signup for a free account there:
https://www.transifex.com/signup/

So, please fellow translators complete your translation before Tuesday, 21 November 2017.

Translation that were 100% complete in 14.2 are now at 99.31% and updating should take at most 15 minutes for these.

Also, requests from translators to join the Slint translation team are now automatically accepted on Transifex.

Thanks in advance

Greetings,

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Old 11-18-2017, 06:30 PM   #429
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Could you please explain Slint for me?
Is it to make it easier to set up Slackware with another localization?
I find it easy to set up for Swedish with Slackware.
If not then shouldn't those translations be sent upstream for everyone to enjoy, earlier i sent translations for many programs upstream so everything would be localized for me in Slackware but also menu items/desktop files.
What does Slint 14.2.1 offer me that Slackware doesn't?
 
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Hello,

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nille_kungen View Post
Could you please explain Slint for me?
I will try.
Quote:
Is it to make it easier to set up Slackware with another localization?
I find it easy to set up for Swedish with Slackware.
You find it easy, because you have a good command of the English language.

If you hadn't you couldn't install Slackware at all, but you could install Slint, because the installer speaks Swedish. Furthermore if you choose to install in Swedish, you won't have to do any further specific setup. By default your locale will be set to sv_SE, your keymap to sv-latin1, your X keyboard layout to sv. All software that can will have an UI in Swedish out of the box, including LibreOffice, Calligra, and KDE, Firefox, Thunderbird.
Quote:
If not then shouldn't those translations be sent upstream for everyone to enjoy, earlier i sent translations for many programs upstream so everything would be localized for me in Slackware but also menu items/desktop files.
We use the localized upstream software when available, but translate the tools specific to Slackware, Salix, Slackel or Slint.
Quote:
What does Slint 14.2.1 offer me that Slackware doesn't?
Depending on what you need, want or use, beyond localization:
  • Tools to easily configure and administrate the system, with optional GUI.
  • Tools to manage the software packages, with automatic dependencies resolution and update notification, with optional GUI.
  • Additional software, and easy access to more.
  • Accessibility to blind users using a Braille device, during installation and afterwards.
It would be too long to list everything, so have a look at http://slint.fr

Also, in soon to be released Slint64-14.2.1, full accessibility to visually impaired users with speech, from installation to usage both in text and graphical mode, in runlevel 3 and 4. Emacs will also speak, and Chromium with a plug-in added to a package provided by Eric Hameleers.

Do you need or want all that? Only you can answer.

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Old 11-18-2017, 09:41 PM   #431
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Thank you for clarifying it for me.
The installer, locale and accessibility is something that could be up-streamed if upstream wants it.
The speech for visually impaired users has been around in Slackware in English.
The tools like slapt-get among others is not for me.
You shouldn't use sv-latin1 for Swedish it's only an old typo that lives on in some distributions and it's an exact copy of the correct se-latin1, swedish is a bit confusing sometimes it's "sv" and other times it's "se".
I often wonder why it's still there sv-latin1 should be dropped IMO.
 
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The installer, locale and accessibility is something that could be up-streamed if upstream wants it.
I now realize that by "upstream" you mean "Slackware".

I will always be ready to help up-streaming anything shipped in Slint that upstream wants.

Quote:
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The speech for visually impaired users has been around in Slackware in English.
Only speakup, and instructions in SPEAK_INTALL.TXT and SPEAKUP_DOCS.TXT are for using hard synthesizers and not easy to follow. Furthermore speakup works only in text mode.
To get speech in Slint in all contexts during and after installation, just press "s" during installation when asked. This only needs a sound card.

Quote:
You shouldn't use sv-latin1 for Swedish it's only an old typo that lives on in some distributions and it's an exact copy of the correct se-latin1, swedish is a bit confusing sometimes it's "sv" and other times it's "se".
I often wonder why it's still there sv-latin1 should be dropped IMO.
Well, as long as "diff -u sv-latin1.map se-latin1.map" gives an empty output using sv-latin1 doesn't hurt

PS I had a look at the source archive and at kbd.SlackBuild

There is no se-latin1.map in the source archive, but the SlackBuild makes a copy borrowed from the Fedora spec's file:
Code:
cp -fav qwerty/sv-latin1.map qwerty/se-latin1.map
I assume that sv-latin.map is not removed to avoid breaking installed systems that use it when upgrading.

Take care,

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