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Do not. Can you discover something new? There are many other beautiful languages in the world, besides English. ;-)
{ Может быть вы откроете для себя что-то новое? Например, - Русский язык. / Maybe you will opening for yourself something new? For example, - Russian language. } :-D :-D :-D Ария (Aria) - Чужой (Alien). ;-)
Eble vi malfermos ion novan por vi mem? Ekzemple, - Esperanto. Same as the upper message. On Esperanto.
To my shame, I do not speak Romanian (Limba română), although this is also the language of my distant ancestors (also indo-europeans). For sample: Nivelu'4 - Sa Vina Vara !.
But I can read (read only) in Bulgarian without a dictionary. This is also a beautiful language. I gave you links. :-)
The adepts of GNU Linux-libre use a speech borrowed from the slang of South American Marxists. Starting with their obsessively repeated "libre".
The word "libre" (EN: "free") represents fundamental the base of South American Marxism, and the concept first appeared in the speeches of Che Guevara, referring about "Cuba Libre" as the objectives of the Cuban Revolution.
Then there was "Venezuela Libre", "Guatemala Libre" and many other "Libre" countries and places in South America.
You may ask, "free of what?" Well, free of the American exploitation and intervention, always acting behind the corrupt governments, at least in their opinion.
Because all South American Marxist Revolutions was essentially anti-American, starting with Che Guevara and the Cuban Revolution.
That's why seeing you using the word "libre" and knowing you are American, and even working for the USA governement, I feel the need for facepalms, and permit me to translate proper for you, of what you just said:
Yeah, because it's impossible for a word to have multiple meanings (you know... like the word "free"). It is stated right at the top of the wikipedia article gratis vs libre:
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The English adjective free is commonly used in one of two meanings: "for free" (gratis) and "with little or no restriction" (libre). This ambiguity of free can cause issues where the distinction is important, as it often is in dealing with laws concerning the use of information, such as copyright and patents.
Libre in this case is to mean that it is both free in cost and free in no restriction. The whole reason this word is used in place of the word "free" is to distinguish between free but restricted and free and unrestricted. In that same article, it specifically states:
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Libre in English is adopted from the various Romance languages, ultimately descending from the Latin word līber; its origin is closely related to liberty. It denotes "the state of being free", as in "liberty" or "having freedom". The Oxford English Dictionary considers libre to be obsolete, but the word has come back into limited use. Unlike gratis, libre appears in few English dictionaries, although there is no other English single-word adjective signifying "liberty" exclusively, without also meaning "at no monetary cost".
In fact, if you look at the disambiguation page on Wikipedia for libre, there's no sign of Marxism with it, so maybe, just maybe, libre in that context is simply talking about free, not some word that encompasses all of Marxism (and libre is not found at all on the wikipedia page for Marxism). In fact, even on the Karl Marx pagein Spanish, there is only one use of the word libre, as follows:
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Primeramente en que el trabajo es externo al trabajador, es decir, no pertenece a su ser; en que en su trabajo, el trabajador no se afirma, sino que se niega; no se siente feliz, sino desgraciado; no desarrolla una libre energía física y espiritual, sino que mortifica su cuerpo y arruina su espíritu.
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First, that the work is external to the worker, that is, it does not belong to his / her being; that in his work, the worker does not affirm himself, but refuses; he does not feel happy, but miserable; He does not develop a free physical and spiritual energy, but mortifies his body and ruins his spirit.
Maybe I'm biased since I'm getting everything from wikipedia, but even a google search of libre and marxism really doesn't seem to show the ties you are claiming. It certainly sounds like they are wanting to use the word libre simply to indicate "free".
To twist my words back to what was meant, it should be:
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Freenix is providing a free and unrestricted experience of Slackware.
Do you really think that LibreOffice is actually "Free of American Exploitation and Intervention Office"? Maybe it's time to learn how the term libre is used in the English language in regards to software... and it has nothing to do with American exploitation and intervention.
But why is this blowing into such a big deal? qweasd and team (if there is a team, I don't remember) are offering people an option. You are not obligated to use this option at all. I certainly have no desire to... but what is the big deal if someone wants to use only free, unrestricted (see why libre is easier?) software? Why are people so agitated about what someone else does? All qweasd did was mention they've changed the name to allow recognition by the FSF and wanted to notify any that may use it and are on this forum.
Do not. Can you discover something new? There are many other beautiful languages in the world, besides English. ;-)
Umm... do you realize the person you're talking to isn't a native English speaker? Looking at his profile, he is from Eindhoven, The Netherlands, where they speak Dutch. He is simply stating the forum rules in that all content is supposed to be in English:
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It is different from the Slackware script in several important ways. We make an effort to install files in a way that would not collide with the upstream kernel, for users who are doing a manual cleanup. We also produce a single package containing huge, generic, and modules, because we thought about this very thoroughly, and we cannot imagine a practical scenario where separating these would be useful. The memory footprint, in particular, is highly unlikely to become an issue as we are going forward
Umm... do you realize the person you're talking to isn't a native English speaker? Looking at his profile, he is from Eindhoven, The Netherlands, where they speak Dutch. He is simply stating the forum rules in that all content is supposed to be in English:
Oops! This is my associative and very stupped error. I always associated Eric with Slackware, Slackware with Patrick, Patrick with "Sebeka, Minnesota, USA"... :-D
You've been thinking about the history I know, the history that that man knows, the history you know, and what it says on American sites, can everything differ?
It seems difficult to find information about something fundamental to some, though...
To all: You all need to use the neutral word "Svoboda" (or "Libereco"). Unlike "Libre" and "Free" it is unambiguous. Always. And does not have any political shades. :-) Never.
For sample: Libereconix. Or: LiberecoSlack / LiberecoMallaborema.... / Hm... Stop. Slack as who (what)? Slack as dick of granddad? Or Slack as Bradypodidae? Or like a haze over a river in the early summer morning? I've been using Slackware for many years, but I've never asked myself this question. :-)
I wanted to do an interview with Patrick for the Russian press, but since he's all so busy ... :-(
A very long time ago I caught a glimpse of it. :-) But this is not the answer to the question. :-) "Slack" maybe translated as: dick of granddad (dick of grandpa), like "Do not Bones", like something vague. I personally like the translation: like "a haze over a river in the early summer morning". So much so that I made the appropriate presets for rxvt (urxvt). If it interested, then tomorrow I will show. :-)
I run Freenix, and I'm certainly no Marxist, revolutionary or FSF fanboy. I just have strong beliefs about wanting only FOSS software running on my computers. It's a philosophical position, and Meltdown/Spectre have only strengthened those beliefs. Until we can run truly open software on truly open hardware, we have to take our victories where we can find them. I compromise only when I absolutely have to as my aging equipment wears out. My new machines are all built with hardware that only needs FOSS drivers. That's the choice I make, for reasons that are mine. I release my fiction under a Creative Commons license for the same reasons.
Philosophical and practical. Not political or religious. My beliefs aren't yours as yours aren't mine. Everybody's right for reasons that makes sense to them. I have issues with the FSF, but they get more right than wrong, in MY opinion. You disagree? A lot of people do, and I get that. You wanna run blobs? Have at it. Your machine, your rules. You need drivers for 3D acceleration or advanced graphics work? Knock yourself out. You bought it, and you run it the way you see fit. You'll never hear an argument from me.
I know I'm in a minority, walking a line that can't hold. There are many in the FOSS-only movement that can only be described as "militant", but that would be not me. My argument is with the hardware vendors insisting that closed-source code is the only way to properly use their equipment. Well, 20 years later, see what that's gotten us. Privacy/security concerns that will last at least that long again. There were voices that warned us of this, but they were ignored until they were proven right.
Freenix works for me. Slackware AND libre? Sign...me...up.
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