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Old 11-05-2021, 06:58 AM   #8896
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We aren't on '70 anymore!
No. More's the pity.

Cyber-crime, online security, and big-data privacy threats were unheard of back then.

Telnet/rlogin/ftp and even the X protocol were all sent across the network in the clear: no one imagined that people might be dicks and abuse this fact for fun or profit. Today we know differently, especially when it's for "profit".

When one realises that the internet's origin was as a military project the naivety is even more astounding.

You say "We aren't in the 70s any more" to try and add weight to your argument, but you're actually advocating for the same kind of trusting naivety those folk in the 70's had. Isn't that ironic? ¹

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1. but not in the Alanis Morissette sense, where the only thing ironic was that a song about irony had no irony in it. Hmmm. maybe she was just being meta: never considered that before.... though somehow I doubt it.
 
Old 11-05-2021, 07:26 AM   #8897
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1. but not in the Alanis Morissette sense, where the only thing ironic was that a song about irony had no irony in it. Hmmm. maybe she was just being meta: never considered that before.... though somehow I doubt it.
Let us hear and watch.
 
Old 11-05-2021, 09:09 AM   #8898
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Surely you jest. Why would anyone actually want that?

If Edge ever comes pre-installed on any distribution, it will be the first thing I remove.
While I agree, in principle, I know of one company that requires Edge. If you are
not using Edge, you cannot do business with this particular company. Chrome clones will not do. Given mickeysoft's reputation, I have to wonder if they are behind it and providing the aforementioned company with some sort of compensation, in one form or another.
 
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:09 AM   #8899
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No. More's the pity.

Cyber-crime, online security, and big-data privacy threats were unheard of back then.

Telnet/rlogin/ftp and even the X protocol were all sent across the network in the clear: no one imagined that people might be dicks and abuse this fact for fun or profit. Today we know differently, especially when it's for "profit".

When one realises that the internet's origin was as a military project the naivety is even more astounding.

You say "We aren't in the 70s any more" to try and add weight to your argument, but you're actually advocating for the same kind of trusting naivety those folk in the 70's had. Isn't that ironic?
You forgot to mention something: that on all those years, the technology gigantically evolved.

Living in the AD 2021, I want to use the technologies of AD 2021, not only the telnet/rlogin/ftp of ol'good 70s.

And I do not think that's naivety to expect from a website to find accurately my location (with my accept) when several minutes later I will introduce myself the full physical address of mine, for the ordered good to be physical delivered on my porch by a postman.

This way works the online shopping - and this is only an example.

PS. Yeah, I am fully aware that the Internet was initially a DARPA project to research "a mesh communication network capable to resist at nuclear strikes" and probably it was a success. I cannot imagine something capable to shutdown the Internet, unless is a 1Km sized meteorite like the one which had been hit on Mexic while dinosaurs era. And even at this event I believe that the Internet will partially survive (some satellites will still work, probably), but I doubt that it's also the case of the human species.

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Old 11-05-2021, 01:57 PM   #8900
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Now that kerel 5.15 has the new Paragon Software's NTFS3 kernel driver that is much improved over ntfs-3g maybe we should look into making it the default on 15? Or might be to soon and is something to consider in the next development cycle?

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...For-Linux-5.15

burdi01 has tested it more extensively. I have used it a little and it is better.
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...3g-4175702945/
 
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Old 11-05-2021, 04:23 PM   #8901
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hahaha so, you dont trust M$, you dont trust facebook (good move) but yet you trust google, absolutely hilarious, do you work for google?
Who said anything about trust? I said I have an intense (possibly irrational) dislike for those things. It has nothing to do with trusting anybody. No I don't work for Google. I also install Firefox on everything I touch too.
 
Old 11-05-2021, 04:28 PM   #8902
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While I agree, in principle, I know of one company that requires Edge. If you are
not using Edge, you cannot do business with this particular company. Chrome clones will not do. Given mickeysoft's reputation, I have to wonder if they are behind it and providing the aforementioned company with some sort of compensation, in one form or another.
I wouldn't use them. It's not 1995 any more. If they cannot adhere to open standards then I don't want their services.

Care to name the company?

If you must use their services, can you use a browser string to work around it?
 
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Old 11-05-2021, 04:34 PM   #8903
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Browser wars

Interesting as it may be your conversation, can you guys please move it to another thread and stop polluting this one?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Old 11-05-2021, 05:20 PM   #8904
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Now that kerel 5.15 has the new Paragon Software's NTFS3 kernel driver that is much improved over ntfs-3g maybe we should look into making it the default on 15? Or might be to soon and is something to consider in the next development cycle?
That was done in the installer at the same time 5.15.0 went out.
 
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Old 11-05-2021, 08:47 PM   #8905
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Based on Archlinux, we should add this line in /etc/udev/rules.d/60-block.rules
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SUBSYSTEM=="block", ENV{ID_FS_TYPE}=="ntfs", ENV{ID_FS_TYPE}="ntfs3"
Afterwards, we can change the ntfs-3g with ntfs3 in fstab
 
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:40 PM   #8906
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Based on Archlinux, we should add this line in /etc/udev/rules.d/60-block.rules


Afterwards, we can change the ntfs-3g with ntfs3 in fstab
After reading the above I checked the fstab file and it simply reads, ntfs, for the ntfs partition on this SSD.
The file was created about three weeks ago when I did a fresh installation of
Slackware64-current.
The copy of the fstab file in my backup, from April 2020, reads, ntfs-3g.

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Old 11-05-2021, 09:53 PM   #8907
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Can we have itstool , linked to python3 instead of python2 ?
This breaks with some third party projects. MSB Project is one of them based on this issue: https://github.com/mateslackbuilds/msb/issues/38
 
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Old 11-05-2021, 11:38 PM   #8908
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This breaks with some third party projects. MSB Project is one of them based on this issue: https://github.com/mateslackbuilds/msb/issues/38
Im not have interest on investigating this , but archlinux have mate , build only under python3 since 2020 , think arround.

I found Linux From Scratch , provides same under python3 , and build mate ..

https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blf...t/itstool.html

Maybe , other depend are under python2 and conflicting with itstool.

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Old 11-06-2021, 03:33 AM   #8909
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Request to set --enable-rust-simd for Firefox and Mozjs78 to gain SIMD acceleration.

In the former non-esr slackware firefoxes, simd-rust was maybe already activated(by default).

Comparing BuildConfigurationOfficial and BuildConfigurationSlackware from https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ml#post6298648 , the official esr-binary-realese
has rust-simd activated, so probably no issues will arise.

From https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1578677:
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> Is --enable-rust-simd the default when building with Firefox (where available)?

It's not the default if you pull the source and build. It is the default for CI and for the builds we ship.
 
Old 11-06-2021, 04:03 AM   #8910
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PS. Yeah, I am fully aware that the Internet was initially a DARPA project to research "a mesh communication network capable to resist at nuclear strikes" and probably it was a success.
That's a myth. From the very beginning ARPANET was about time-sharing of computers: getting maximum value out of what was then very expensive resources.
 
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