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Old 10-25-2020, 11:25 AM   #5761
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It's Time To Admit It: The X.Org Server Is Abandonware

Maybe some food for thoughts?

And from what I know, Slackware have a single Wayland based DE ready for it: Plasma5

Yes, I ask one more time again for Plasma5 to be merged on -current, it was "ready" since long time anyway...

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Old 10-25-2020, 11:47 AM   #5762
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Phoronix? Heavy grain of salt, there. (But agreed...Plasma 5 would be a nice addition. I think it's a question of when, not if?)
 
Old 10-25-2020, 11:58 AM   #5763
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Phoronix? Heavy grain of salt, there. (But agreed...Plasma 5 would be a nice addition. I think it's a question of when, not if?)
We, the Russian males, we have a medium life expectancy of 72 years and I am already in my 50.

I really hope that this "when" will happen before I will leave this World of old age...

However, the guy (cited in this article) really said this: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/...33#note_670522
Quote:
The main worry I have is that xserver is abandonware without even regular releases from the main branch. That's why we had to blacklist X. Without someone caring I think there's just largely downsides to enabling features.

Also there's zero technical reasons why modifiers are tied to atomic in -modesetting, at least as long as everything is disabled by default.

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Old 10-25-2020, 12:14 PM   #5764
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Wayland is linux only, and still not fully feature complete. Whether or not it's getting the due attention that it deserves Xserver is still needed.


edit: Apologies for the noise, I didn't realise I was reading "requests for current" otherwise I wouldn't have responded.

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Old 10-25-2020, 12:45 PM   #5765
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Wayland is linux only, and still not fully feature complete. Whether or not it's getting the due attention that it deserves Xserver is still needed.
Well, I thought that Slackware is a Linux distribution, or I miss something? What's the problem?

Regarding "features completion" you talk about what? You may want to say that the DEs may not ported entirely their features to Wayland.

As someone who literally uses daily the Wayland/Plasma5 I tell you that with the latest Plasma5, as in Plasma 5.20 and so on, there's a lack for only two DE features present on X11/Plasma5:

- remembering the windows position.
- restoring the previous opened windows after a reboot/logout.

Why? I believe that's not Wayland's business to do this. The Plasma5 should invent its own ways even for them.

However, I find funny that a bunch of security nuts ignores with elegance this Wayland, which looks magnitude grades more secure than X.org ...

Heck, the Plasma5 had to rely on Pipewire to screencast the opened windows for just doing thumbnails on taskbar!

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Old 10-25-2020, 12:50 PM   #5766
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Old 10-25-2020, 06:10 PM   #5767
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I have a strange request: do you know the language called Euphoria?

It is a scripting language that shares many features of "serious" languages including (but not limited to):

Cooperative multitasking, functional programming, bit arithmetics, static typing, direct OS api access, memory management, modules, static linking, excellent loops with retry and continue, switch with fallthru, profiling, tracing, debugging, preprocessing, compile-time expressions, C translator and indirect function calls.

At the same time it has only four (!) built-in types and extensive standard library. I believe this language could be used to teach programming And it is a very small.

https://openeuphoria.org/docs/

I was able to run it on 14.2:
Code:
~$ eui --version
Euphoria Interpreter v4.1.0 development
   64-bit Linux, Using System Memory
   Revision Date: 2015-02-02 14:18:53, Id: 5861:57179171dbed
$ euc --version
Euphoria to C Translator v4.1.0 development
   64-bit Linux, Using System Memory
   Revision Date: 2015-02-02 14:18:53, Id: 5861:57179171dbed
so, including it should not be hard.

Language is not very popular, but tcl (which is a part of Slackware) is not very popular those says either.
 
Old 10-25-2020, 06:36 PM   #5768
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Searched openeuphoria in repology.org, found only one Arch package in the AUR, nothing in pkgs.org so Slackware would be the first distribution to provide an official package. I am not the one who decides, but I suggest that you first contribute a package to https://slackbuilds.org.

PS and for teaching programming to little kids I suggest logo

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Old 10-26-2020, 05:53 AM   #5769
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This is not a request, only a suggestion.
With the latest nfsutils seems some options in nfsmount.conf doesn't work(error: protocol not supported)
For example, if I enable port 4001

Code:
# Server Mountd port mountport
mountport=4001
then
Code:
mount -vvv  slack64:public /mnt
mount.nfs: timeout set for Mon Oct 26 10:49:42 2020
mount.nfs: Unsupported nfs4 mount option(s) passed 'vers=4,retrans=2,retry=1,acl,ac,mountport=4001,port=2049,sec=sys'
mount.nfs: Unsupported nfs4 mount option(s) passed 'vers=4,retrans=2,retry=1,acl,ac,mountport=4001,port=2049,sec=sys'
mount.nfs: Unsupported nfs4 mount option(s) passed 'vers=4,retrans=2,retry=1,acl,ac,mountport=4001,port=2049,sec=sys'
when I remove mountport

Code:
mount -vvv  slack64:public /mnt
mount.nfs: timeout set for Mon Oct 26 10:50:44 2020
mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'retrans=2,retry=1,acl,ac,port=2049,sec=sys,vers=4.2,addr=192.168.0.2,clientaddr=192.168.0.2'
slack64:public on /mnt type nfs (rw,vers=4,retrans=2,retry=1,acl,ac,port=2049,sec=sys)
now i set mountproto

Code:
# Server Mountd Protocol
mountproto=tcp
another error

Code:
mount -vvv  slack64:public /mnt
mount.nfs: timeout set for Mon Oct 26 10:52:42 2020
mount.nfs: Unsupported nfs4 mount option(s) passed 'vers=4,proto=tcp,retrans=2,retry=1,acl,ac,mountproto=tcp,port=2049,sec=sys'
mount.nfs: Unsupported nfs4 mount option(s) passed 'vers=4,proto=tcp,retrans=2,retry=1,acl,ac,mountproto=tcp,port=2049,sec=sys'
mount.nfs: Unsupported nfs4 mount option(s) passed 'vers=4,proto=tcp,retrans=2,retry=1,acl,ac,mountproto=tcp,port=2049,sec=sys'
mount.nfs: Protocol not supported
of course after remove mountproto works fine.
I think those options must be at least commented.
 
Old 10-26-2020, 06:02 AM   #5770
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I would like to request adding the following lines to the file /etc/DIR_COLORS:

Code:
.webm 01;35
.webp 01;35
I can do it on my own copy, of course, but I figured they might be useful for someone else.
 
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Old 10-26-2020, 11:20 PM   #5772
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I noticed libbluray is in, but libdvdcss is not. So why not include libdvdcss too? It is both from videolan.org
 
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Old 10-27-2020, 01:03 AM   #5773
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I noticed libbluray is in, but libdvdcss is not. So why not include libdvdcss too? It is both from videolan.org
libdvdcss cannot be distributed with Slackware.
https://slackwiki.com/Libdvdcss
 
Old 10-27-2020, 05:35 AM   #5774
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libbluray and libdvdcss are not equivalent software. The dvd equivalent to libbluray would be libdvdread and libdvdnav, both of which *are* included in -current.
The equivalent of libdvdcss would be libaacs and libbdplus, which are also absent.
 
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Old 10-27-2020, 11:20 AM   #5775
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libbluray and libdvdcss are not equivalent software. The dvd equivalent to libbluray would be libdvdread and libdvdnav, both of which *are* included in -current.
The equivalent of libdvdcss would be libaacs and libbdplus, which are also absent.

Ok oh, thats where my confusion stemmed from and why I thought it should be included.
 
  


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