Since Opus and Vorbis are both OGG I will say ogg gets more listeners than mp3 these days. Between Youtube and Spotify using Opus/Vorbis that means billions of listeners a week. And almost any cheap mp3 player made in the last 10 years will play vorbis, and both vorbis and opus are native supported on Android.

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The Ford Sync system (their "infotainment" center) is/was developed by Microsoft, so it makes sense that WMA is supported. I was pleasantly surprised to find that AAC was supported as some of my music was AAC encoded in an m4a container. And I suppose wave is easy to implement, but I certainly am not willing to store music in that format.

However, being a Microsoft product, it is riddled with bugs and is nice and the interface can be quite slow sometimes.

I've given up using the Sync in my Mustang it's such a steaming pile of dung. I looked into replacing the head unit, but the adapter needed to keep all the functionality of everything in the car is $500 just for itself, so I have a "high end" infotainment unit that can only play AM/FM...

Opus is increasingly widely used on the internet but in containers like weba and webm (not ogg) and it still has a long way to go before it is even a fraction of mp3 usage. Regarding "Most cheap mp3 players", I seriously doubt that. Secondly, if you think in the products out there in current every day usage, there are anywhere like as many that support vorbis and opus as there are that support mp3 you are kidding yourself.

You tell me then why podcasts, internet radio, etc. are almost exclusively mp3.

Don't get me wrong, I think and hope that opus will be the one that makes it but we are a long, long way off from that!

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My blind mother! A lot of audio books are mp3

What issues are you having? I have a thumbdrive in mine that holds almost 4000 songs. It used to be that it wouldn't remember that the input was set to USB, but replacing my thumbdrive fixed that. It doesn't ever stay on Bluetooth once I turn off the car and turn it back on, but otherwise Bluetooth audio works fine as well. Have you updated yours at all? I think mine has had 4 or 5 updates since I bought the car.

It definitely has a lot of bugs in it, but I don't find it horrible. It's much better than the system in my Armada which has a compact flash slot, but it will only recognize up to 512 songs, no matter how many you have on the drive... and it will only recognize 256 in a folder, so you have to have at least two folders (although, I tend to have my music sorted by Artist/Album/songs.mp3, so the folder limitation isn't an issue for me). And the Armada doesn't even support Bluetooth audio, only phone.

But I don't think I could replace mine with a new head unit... even my climate control runs through the infotainment center and using the touch screen is the only way to select where I want the air to come out and to see what temperature I have selected (there's physical buttons for speed and temp).

Bluetooth sync just stops pairing after so long, have to pull the fuse on it to get it to be able to pair again. I actually have registered mine, so I get an email whenever an update is released, although there hasn't been an update since March-ish last year (unless they stopped emailing me).

They released an update, I want to say it was late last year, that provided a "Master Reboot" option in one of the submenus. It fixes most issues I run into now. I do remember a few years ago I was having the same issue with my phone not pairing. It just wouldn't do it for a few weeks. Then one day I tried it again and it worked. But that was a few updates ago, and I haven't had the problem since.

And I could never get them to email me when they had updates. Just every six months or so, I'll log in and see what it says. I'm also subscribed to the Ford Fusion subreddit, which made me aware of an update once.

My desktop players are XMMS and Audacious with Winamp skins for better looking

Portable players are still used?!?
I've a FiiO X1 and I don't think I know anyone with a portable audio player other than me. Most people I know or meet use their phones for music and while I don't think they use mp3 (audiobooks use aac, I seem to recall) they don't use a seperate player.

my post got some strong reaction, i guess i was a little careless and quick when typing it.

admitted, i didn't take protable players into account!

but, in no particular order, some answers:

• ALL android devices support ogg vorbis and use it by default (e.g. ringtones)
• OGG is not a failure or a little-used format, as someone seemed to be suggesting, and i'm sure other operating systems have long since followed suite (haven't actually tested this though)
• your grandmother does not knowingly use mp3, and if her device supports something else, and youi gave her something else, she wouldn't know it.
• if i wanted to publicly share something with a bunch of people, i would provide it through an <audio> element that offers .ogg first, and then mp3

in this day and age of internet streaming etc., bandwidth is of utmost importance.
when i encode some lossless audio to (low bandwidth) 64kbit mp3 or 64kbit ogg-vorbis, i can very well hear the difference!
which is why i use ogg-vorbis to re-encode my music to stream to my phone. mp3 would be the worse choice.

even the author of the now much-quoted article writes it in large lettering: Why still use MP3 when newer, better formats exist?

but i understand accept and respect the answers to these questions.

i'm neither flaming nor fanboying here, just stating facts.

btw, being patentless, is mp3 now opensource or not?

I'm sure you're right, many people now live their lives through their smartphones, but there are still some of us around who prefer different devices for different jobs. "Do one thing and do it well."

I much prefer ogg-vorbis to both mp3 and aac. Not because of any perceived difference in audio quality but because it's a proper gapless codec, which the other two aren't and I have a number of live/concept albums where the inter-track gaps are a noticeable annoyance without a gapless codec. My portable player doesn't support ogg, but it does support flac, so I use that instead. It means I can only get around 20 albums on there rather than 100, but it's sufficient for me and it's battery lasts much longer than a smartphone would.

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I'm the same, and it's why I use FLAC on my portable player* (128GB micro SD card) and earphones which cost something like twice the price of the player and card.
I really don't think anyone but us "odd people" use separate "mp3 players" any more, Perhaps they may do in the developing world but, even then, I think the focus is on owning a mobile phone?


*Anecdotal, I know, but I once had a player which only supported mp3, wav and some others and I ended up with mots of my music in both mp3 and wav on it. On a couple of occasions, while listening to "high bitrate mp3" I found myself looking for the wav version because the mp3 ruined the music. This was using a shuffle mode so I only knew what I was listening to once I'd decided I didn't like how it sounded.

Just logged in and checked, and mine is indeed the latest version.

Bummer. They must be maintaining different versions for different vehicles (actually, I'd be really surprised if they weren't since the Fusion has two different versions depending on if you have navigation or not -- the non-navigation models got an update earlier that I had to wait 6 months for with my navigation unit).