[SOLVED] Mr. Volkerding please release 15.0 as soon as possible even sooner

wtarreau · 01-16-2022, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windu

I don't think Patrick Volkerding has the same idea of a "Release Candidate" as you and I have. To me it's more like he has succumbed to the "latest and greatest" syndrome that most of the bigger distro's also suffer from.

"Release candidate" doesn't mean much nowadays. It had a real meaning in the old days where you had to be certain before engraving a nickel master to press CD-ROMs. Nowadays there's often an implicit moral contract between developers and users that if anything breaks it will quickly be fixed during -stable. So the development pace slows down when getting close to a release, to only speed up immediately after. In this case a release candidate essentially consists in making sure something huge wasn't overlooked, to avoid having to emit the first fix one hour after the release. Especially since it's well known that many users do not test the latest RCs if it requires them some effort to then jump to the final one. But users also have to be responsible, not rush on an immediate release for critical stuff, and wait a bit for the dust to settle. Typically if you're hosting websites for friends or family, you'd rather test a new distro on your laptop before the server, it will catch way more issues than a so-called "release candidate". As such I'm definitely much in favor for short RCs.

SCerovec · 01-16-2022, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wtarreau

"Release candidate" doesn't mean much nowadays. It had a real meaning in the old days where you had to be certain before engraving a nickel master to press CD-ROMs. Nowadays there's often an implicit moral contract between developers and users that if anything breaks it will quickly be fixed during -stable. So the development pace slows down when getting close to a release, to only speed up immediately after. In this case a release candidate essentially consists in making sure something huge wasn't overlooked, to avoid having to emit the first fix one hour after the release. Especially since it's well known that many users do not test the latest RCs if it requires them some effort to then jump to the final one. But users also have to be responsible, not rush on an immediate release for critical stuff, and wait a bit for the dust to settle. Typically if you're hosting websites for friends or family, you'd rather test a new distro on your laptop before the server, it will catch way more issues than a so-called "release candidate". As such I'm definitely much in favor for short RCs.

Yes, Yes, YES!

We need the faux release and once all jump to test it (how cunning a cheat

) we chase the bugs out and release several fixes in the early days up to weeks...

... then only the seasoned slackers (note the small letter) come in and reap all the benefits of Slackware's stellar track record

in short - this might well be it gentleman, the long drought is over, lock & load the champagne...

(just my 2c (as always))

P.S.
this is OFC all in jest, much much kudos the the team, either core and anyone in close or any orbit - it has been quite a ride and i certainly am looking forward for many many years and stellar releases to come

Didier Spaier · 01-16-2022, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCerovec

Yes, Yes, YES!

We need the faux release and once all jump to test it (how cunning a cheat

) we chase the bugs out and release several fixes in the early days up to weeks...

... then only the seasoned slackers (note the small letter) come in and reap all the benefits of Slackware's stellar track record

Nothing new in this process my friend:
1. Fedora user are beta-testers for Red Hat.
2. Arch users are beta-testers for all of us, thanks to them.

marav · 01-16-2022, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Didier Spaier

Nothing new in this process my friend:
1. Fedora user are beta-testers for Red Hat.
2. Arch users are beta-testers for all of us, thanks to them.

3. And Slackware users, according to this thread, seem to have a strong taste for single malt

marav · 01-16-2022, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marav

kernel fix mem= : ✔️
Plasma 5.23.5 : ✔️
KDE Gear 21.12.1 : ✔️
Frameworks 5.90 : ✔️

Waiting for the Kernel 5.15.15 ...

Kernel 5.15.15 : ✔️

✔️ : full

note: If we want to stay on that-fits-super-well kernel release, Slackware 15 probably needs to come out of the woods before Wednesday.

SCerovec · 01-17-2022, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marav

Kernel 5.15.15 : ✔️

✔️ : full

note: If we want to stay on this kernel that-fits-super-well release, Slackware 15 probably needs to come out of the woods before Wednesday.

Every ✔️ sign made a cash register bell ring in my head

Are we ready yet?

marav · 01-17-2022, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCerovec

Every ✔️ sign made a cash register bell ring in my head

Are we ready yet?

This one ?
https://youtu.be/4kVTqUxJYBA

SCerovec · 01-17-2022, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marav

This one ?
https://youtu.be/4kVTqUxJYBA

more like: this

bittin_ · 01-17-2022, 02:08 PM

Started playing with the 15 Final RC in Virtualbox today, also the webhosting company i used for years from Skåne, Sweden FSData is using Slackware 14 on their webservers for years but i mostly login to those via FTP

nobodino · 01-22-2022, 12:05 PM

For those preparing to change from Slackware-14.2 to Slackware-15.0 which will not be long, here is a script that will remove old deprecated packages:

Code:

#!/bin/sh
echo
echo "removing slackware64-14.2 packages inspired from CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT file"
echo 

for package in \
	aaa_elflibs \
	eject \
	getty-ps \
	glibc-solibs \
	lha \
	openssl10-solibs \
	slocate \
	ash \
	cgmanager \
	man \
	pm-utils \
	sc \
	workbone \
	gcc-java \
	gnu-cobol \
	python \
	ConsoleKit2 \
	PyQt \
	automoc4 \
	db42 \
	db44 \
	eigen2 \
	glade3 \
	gnome-themes-standard \
	gst-plugins-base0 \
	gst-plugins-good0 \
	gstreamer0 \
	herqq \
	ilmbase \
	js185 \
	keybinder \
	libart_lgpl \
	libbluedevil \
	libcroco \
	liblastfm \
	libmcs \
	libmowgli \
	libmsn \
	libtermcap \
	libwmf-docs \
	notify-python \
	phonon-gstreamer \
	pyrex \
	qimageblitz \
	qjson \
	qt \
	qt-gstreamer \
	qtscriptgenerator \
	raptor2 \
	rasqal \
	redland \
	seamonkey-solibs \
	soprano \
	strigi \
	urwid \
	virtuoso-ose \
	dirmngr \
	idnkit \
	imapd \
	mailx \
	openldap-client \
	openssl10 \
	pth \
	rfkill \
	sendmail \
	sendmail-cf \
	trn \
	wireless-tools \
	tetex \
	tetex-doc \
	transfig \
	bigreqsproto \
	compositeproto \
	damageproto \
	dmxproto \
	dri2proto \
	dri3proto \
	evieext \
	fixesproto \
	fontcacheproto \
	fontsproto \
	glproto \
	inputproto \
	intel-gpu-tools \
	kbproto \
	libXfont \
	libva-intel-driver \
	mkfontdir \
	presentproto \
	printproto \
	randrproto \
	recordproto \
	renderproto \
	resourceproto \
	scim \
	scim-anthy \
	scim-hangul \
	scim-input-pad \
	scim-m17n \
	scim-pinyin \
	scim-tables \
	scrnsaverproto \
	videoproto \
	xcmiscproto \
	xextproto \
	xf86-video-xgi \
	xf86-video-xgixp \
	xf86bigfontproto \
	xf86dgaproto \
	xf86driproto \
	xf86miscproto \
	xf86vidmodeproto \
	xineramaproto \
	xproto \
	rxvt \
	xfractint \
	xv \
	Thunar \
	gtk-xfce-engine \
	orage \
; do
removepkg $package
done
echo "Removing all old Slackware-14.2 packages done!"
echo
echo "Welcome to Slackware-15.0!"

SCerovec · 01-22-2022, 06:42 PM

what happened to slocate?

marav · 01-22-2022, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCerovec

what happened to slocate?

I think the software doesn't exist anymore
And no sign of life since 2007
Which is not great for a [secure]locate

DryFalls · 01-23-2022, 01:50 AM

slocate was replaced with mlocate. locate itself is a symlink to mlocate (in /usr/bin).

bormant · 01-23-2022, 08:51 AM

@nobodino
why for ... do, why not

Code:

removepkg \
	aaa_elflibs \
	eject \
	getty-ps \
	glibc-solibs \
	lha \
	openssl10-solibs \
	slocate \
	ash \
	cgmanager \
	man \
	pm-utils \
	sc \
	workbone \
	gcc-java \
	gnu-cobol \
	python \
	ConsoleKit2 \
	PyQt \
	automoc4 \
	db42 \
	db44 \
	eigen2 \
	glade3 \
	gnome-themes-standard \
	gst-plugins-base0 \
	gst-plugins-good0 \
	gstreamer0 \
	herqq \
	ilmbase \
	js185 \
	keybinder \
	libart_lgpl \
	libbluedevil \
	libcroco \
	liblastfm \
	libmcs \
	libmowgli \
	libmsn \
	libtermcap \
	libwmf-docs \
	notify-python \
	phonon-gstreamer \
	pyrex \
	qimageblitz \
	qjson \
	qt \
	qt-gstreamer \
	qtscriptgenerator \
	raptor2 \
	rasqal \
	redland \
	seamonkey-solibs \
	soprano \
	strigi \
	urwid \
	virtuoso-ose \
	dirmngr \
	idnkit \
	imapd \
	mailx \
	openldap-client \
	openssl10 \
	pth \
	rfkill \
	sendmail \
	sendmail-cf \
	trn \
	wireless-tools \
	tetex \
	tetex-doc \
	transfig \
	bigreqsproto \
	compositeproto \
	damageproto \
	dmxproto \
	dri2proto \
	dri3proto \
	evieext \
	fixesproto \
	fontcacheproto \
	fontsproto \
	glproto \
	inputproto \
	intel-gpu-tools \
	kbproto \
	libXfont \
	libva-intel-driver \
	mkfontdir \
	presentproto \
	printproto \
	randrproto \
	recordproto \
	renderproto \
	resourceproto \
	scim \
	scim-anthy \
	scim-hangul \
	scim-input-pad \
	scim-m17n \
	scim-pinyin \
	scim-tables \
	scrnsaverproto \
	videoproto \
	xcmiscproto \
	xextproto \
	xf86-video-xgi \
	xf86-video-xgixp \
	xf86bigfontproto \
	xf86dgaproto \
	xf86driproto \
	xf86miscproto \
	xf86vidmodeproto \
	xineramaproto \
	xproto \
	rxvt \
	xfractint \
	xv \
	Thunar \
	gtk-xfce-engine \
	orage

?

poetgrant · 01-24-2022, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pithium

Slackware 15 has already been released. We are just waiting for Bob Dobbs to fix the timeline.

So 5 July 1998 it is then. I can't wait to run Slackware 15 on my Pleasure ship this coming X-Day!

Praise "Bob"!