You're barking up the wrong tree, since I didn't express a preference for Qt one way or the other. I'd rather have it and Plasma 5 included, if you must know.

So you are here to argue that Darth should be allowed to derail threads, incite flame wars and spread misinformation without oversight? I'm sorry, but you probably should just stop digging while you are ahead...

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About what missinformation you talk?

The Plasma5 was affected by that artifacts until 5.13.2 release and the LTS until the ati driver was switched to git master. I seen them with my own eyes on my own display.

One example was that Plasma 5 would overwrite your GTK settings, which as it turns out only occurs when the user tells it to.

Going back to the last example I saw in this thread was the claim that only KDE users use Qt, I could go on, but there are better things that could be posted instead...

People who are not moderators have no right to look down upon, frown on, scoff at or otherwise dismiss the views of other users in this forum. They do not have the right to dictate what other users are allowed to suggest. My advice to them is to take their heads out of their ar5es and see, for once in their lives, just how obnoxious and insulting they are themselves when they start bossing others around.

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This claim was also confirmed by @cwizardone who made extensive tests on this issue.

No, we were talking about whether Plasma5 should be included in the next Slackware version and he stated that qt5 shouldn't be included.

No, explanations don't need to be given by anyone, but they should be if they want to be taken seriously by the people who make the decisions. I was glad to read Darth's criticisms, and I'm glad he found ways around some of the issues (newer Plasma5 version or a development version of the xorg ati driver). But when he chews out Eric for a KDE developer's choice, demands a comment from Pat about an exploit, or assumed that Firefox wasn't going to stay updated (because he hadn't heard anything on newer versions of Firefox in Slackware even though it had the latest ESR at the time), he comes across as rude and demanding.

As for poprock's "free pass", I'm not sure what you're talking about. His first post in this thread was to say that his "strong opinion" of including Plasma5 may have been wrong. The "strong opinions" I found in other threads are shared below.

I'm not seeing "demands" in there, but definitely some strong opinions.

That being said, I'm usually not one to complain about something getting added to Slackware, even if I never intend to use it. I wouldn't even care if Gnome gets added back to Slackware. I won't use it, but I don't care if it's included.

Better according to internet etiquette. Darth is constantly abrasive and seems like he truly enjoys rubbing people the wrong way (and sometimes refuses to accept when he is wrong). It makes it less likely for his suggestions to be incorporated into Slackware. He has rubbed the dev team the wrong way plenty of times. Not being so abrasive would go a long way to make his requests more likely to be acceptable. I'm not asking him to change for me, I'm suggesting he change so that his requests are better received by the people who can actually do something. Whether or not he wants to is certainly his choice.

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You are thinking of something else. I am talking about the .gtkrc-2.0 file being overwritten, which only happens if the user goes into KDE settings and sets the GTK theme. I have no problem with valid, substantiated criticisms like the ones by cwizardone.

Excuse me, but what I read is that he claims that without KDE, today no other application from Slackware itself uses Qt. The magic words are "Slackware itself".

And he also explained clear that the users who needs Qt5 can find it in multiple remote repositories. There's where he mentioned the users.

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I really enjoyed this hypocritical stance, lol. For your own benefit you really should not criticize people for things you are guilty of in the same breath. It makes it hard for anyone to consider your posts seriously.

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But at least he knows he's being abrasive. Far worse when someone doesn't even see their own faults.

I have no grudge with Darth. I look at every post on this forum and respond if I feel inclined to respond. I've agreed with Darth in the past when our thoughts are aligned. But I can counter his points and he's welcome to counter mine. This is a forum where discussions can take place. Pat, Eric, and Robby all have public emails if Darth doesn't want his suggestions examined by random forum members.

Contrary to your belief, I'm not dismissing his views... I'm trying to understand them. As I said, I understand his reasoning for suggesting to not include Plasma5, but I'm trying to understand his reasoning for not including qt5. It is certainly his right to not provide me with that as I don't have any say in the development of Slackware, but if he can share some valid reasons (other than "polluting" Slackware) he could make people understand his reasoning and the powers that be may decide in favor of it.

Now, now, children, let's not have a Slackware civil war. You wanna fight? Go pick on a Debianite or Archer!

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Forget about Darth Vader and permit me to respond instead with Patrick Volkerding's words regarding what is it "pollution" or not.
So, even Patrick Volkerding is right now tired by eventual Plasma5 dependencies "pollution" of L series, and calls all hands on deck to identify them to be properly separated to the KDE series.

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