Is KDE4 to KDE3 like windows vista is to windows XP?

afreitascs · 09-19-2009, 11:37 PM

Is Desktop KDE4 to Desktop KDE 3 like SO Windows Vista is to SO Windows XP ?

And where is the OS Slackware and others linux ?

Excuse confused because my English is bad and I do not understand
the comparison ...

Maybe not make sense to the topic ........

afreitascs

hoanglong1712 · 09-21-2009, 12:43 AM

we just forget kde and use xfce
it's very nice, like the old kde 3

karthikrr · 10-04-2009, 03:37 PM

"I'll tell you what I'd like to see: a window manager that tries to pretend like it isn't even there . . . hmmm . . . maybe I'll write that. The root window would just be a console, like the standard text console in init 3. The only difference would be that the X server was up and, if you invoked, say, 'opera &', then an opera window would pop up right there in your "console" session. hmmmmmmmmm . . . no desktop metaphor. That'd be cool . . . and maybe I could even get the xwm login screen to look like a console login . . . now that would be a feat. I can see it now: "NoDE""

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I'd LOVE to be able to download a WM like that and make that my default!!! I mostly need the damn WM ONLY to run firefox and google for help on configuring various other stuff ... And yes, I know I can run Konsole or equivalents, so I have firefox and the terminal both side by side, but I cannot explain it, its just not the same as using the non-X-console!!! Would be so f*ing awesome to just type out a google search on the console and have firefox pop up with results, to type mplayer VIDEO-FILE and have it open up right there on the console!!! Couple this with a big-ass display, and mmm, nirvana ...

Oh, and speaking of old computers, my first was a XT with an 8-MHz processor and 10MB HDD, 640k RAM, 5.25" FDD, monochrome (actually, the green display, dunno if its called something else!) display ... I still have that machine with me, it STILL works ... And something that I realised only MUCH later, the damn thing doesnt even seem to have anything that resembles a motherboard inside it, it looks like its a bunch of controller cards all put together! No processor like today, either, if memory serves me right ...

dugan · 10-05-2009, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foodown

I'll tell you what I'd like to see: a window manager that tries to pretend like it isn't even there . . . hmmm . . . maybe I'll write that. The root window would just be a console, like the standard text console in init 3. The only difference would be that the X server was up and, if you invoked, say, 'opera &', then an opera window would pop up right there in your "console" session. hmmmmmmmmm . . . no desktop metaphor. That'd be cool . . . and maybe I could even get the xwm login screen to look like a console login . . . now that would be a feat. I can see it now: "NoDE"

http://freshmeat.net/articles/the-antidesktop

karthikrr · 10-06-2009, 01:01 AM

WOAH!!! Thank you for pointing me towards the red pill! I'll give this a try as soon as I can ... Looks VERY interesting!!!

dugan · 10-06-2009, 02:24 AM

I'd be interested in hearing about your experiences with it

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I knew about that article (and those kinds of window managers) for nearly a decade but never got around to trying it out.

blackbelt_jones · 10-06-2009, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SqdnGuns

Where does it say that KDE is the "Default" desktop for Slackware? Never seen it myself.......always presented with a choice.

If you don't choose a desktop, you get KDE. That's called a default.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vigi

Why does everybody think that XFCE is somehow a viable replacement for the lack of KDE 3.5.10 in Slackware?

XFCE is to KDE 3.5.10 as a dirt bike is to a Harley Davidson.

My choice to replace KDE 3.5.10 in Slackware is to replace Slackware with Slax 6.1.2. After I boot the live CD as root, I run this simple script, and it allows me to set up Slax to run just about identically to an installed Slackware 12 system in about 2-3 minutes

Code:

#!/bin/bash
#Configuration script for setting up a Slax system
#These eight simple commands will configure my Slax live CD system to run exactly like an #installed Slax system, establishing a partion on my internal hard drive as /home, setting up a #user account, creating new passwords, etc.
#When the script runs I will be prompted for more information, e.g. passwords, etc. The script #takes less than three minutes to run.

#I keep it on the /home partion
#after booting slax, I come up as root in KDE.
#I click on System > Storage media> The partition that contains the script
#I hit F4, which opens Konsole (the KDE terminal window) to the partition.
#and type "sh", followed by the name of the script, startslax.script

#THE COMMANDS:

#1. mounting a partion as /home alows me to keep my personal data in a normal user account
mount /dev/hda3 /home

#2 a mount point is created for my external hard drive
mkdir /files

#3 my external hard drive is mounted
mount /dev/sda1 /files

#4. My user account is established , or reestablished.
#If "slomo" aleady exists in /home, I will be propted to chown (change owner) for
#the account when the script runs
adduser slomo

#5. A new root password is needed to replace the Slax default root password, "toor"
passwd root

#6. I use the visudo command to edit the sudoers file,
#ennabling my account to use sudo
visudo

#7, 8 After my system is configured,
# These last two commands turn off X and drop me down to a login prompt.I don't know what that means. I think XFCE is a great Desktop, but it doesn't have the apps

cd /sbin
./init 3

#I login with my username and password, and I type start X to return to my
# elaborately customized KDE3 Desktop.

The slax CD runs great, refreshes the / (root) system with every reboot, so that makes it secure. I've got all the software I need archived on my each of my three hard drives. I've got KDE3.5 for as long as I need it.

blackbelt_jones · 10-06-2009, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbelt_jones

If you don't choose a desktop, you get KDE. That's called a default.

My choice to replace KDE 3.5.10 in Slackware is to replace Slackware with Slax 6.1.2. After I boot the live CD as root, I run this simple script, and it allows me to set up Slax to run just about identically to an installed Slackware 12 system in about 2-3 minutes

Code:

#!/bin/bash
#Configuration script for setting up a Slax system
#These eight simple commands will configure my Slax live CD system to run exactly like an #installed Slax system, establishing a partion on my internal hard drive as /home, setting up a #user account, creating new passwords, etc.
#When the script runs I will be prompted for more information, e.g. passwords, etc. The script #takes less than three minutes to run.

#I keep it on the /home partion
#after booting slax, I come up as root in KDE.
#I click on System > Storage media> The partition that contains the script
#I hit F4, which opens Konsole (the KDE terminal window) to the partition.
#and type "sh", followed by the name of the script, startslax.script

#THE COMMANDS:

#1. mounting a partion as /home alows me to keep my personal data in a normal user account
mount /dev/hda3 /home

#2 a mount point is created for my external hard drive
mkdir /files

#3 my external hard drive is mounted
mount /dev/sda1 /files

#4. My user account is established , or reestablished.
#If "slomo" aleady exists in /home, I will be propted to chown (change owner) for
#the account when the script runs
adduser slomo

#5. A new root password is needed to replace the Slax default root password, "toor"
passwd root

#6. I use the visudo command to edit the sudoers file,
#ennabling my account to use sudo
visudo

#7, 8 After my system is configured,
# These last two commands turn off X and drop me down to a login prompt.I don't know what that means. I think XFCE is a great Desktop, but it doesn't have the apps

cd /sbin
./init 3

#I login with my username and password, and I type start X to return to my
# elaborately customized KDE3 Desktop.

The slax CD runs great, refreshes the / (root) system with every reboot, so that makes it secure. I've got all the software I need archived on my each of my three hard drives. I've got KDE3.5 for as long as I need it.

Anoher idea: Slackware users who want to keep using KDE3 might want to try Vector Linux Standard or Zenwalk Linux. These are nice light Slackware based distros I have more experience with Vector than with Zenwalk). They use XFCE as the default desktop and let you install KDE later, so it's easy for them to give you a choice of which KDE you prefer to install.

I've never tried Vista, but I've tried every KDE4 release. If they have anything in common, it's that's some people will need to upgrade their hardware to run it. The big difference is that disaffected KDE users have lots more options, from running a KDE3 based live CD to that weird Desktop that doesn't look like a Desktop, or running KDE4 applications in fluxbox, or Gnome.

I'll say this much: Nobody can accuse me of being a KDE4 fanboy, so you can believe me when I tell you that KDE4 is NOT all about eye candy. It's about brain food.

KDE4 is not nearly as functional as KDE3 right now, and the distros are dropping it much too soon, and KDE3 deserves to be preserved as the highest expression of what will one day be known as the old style desktop. I believe that Live CDs and VMs will make it possible for us to preserve, restore, and customize classic desktops the way classic car lovers preserver, restore, and customize old automobiles. KDE3 is a 67 mustang, a 57 Chevy, a... whatever. I don't know jack about cars, but KDE3 is definition of a classic.

However, if you look beneath the surface, KDE4 suggests new, specialized ways of using the is the forerunner of important changes in the desktop that will lierally improve our brains. It's very important work that I support, even if it's not ready for my desktop.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=95524385

In this npr story, the fragmented desktop, with our whole lives in one screen, is used as symbol of fractured consciousness. Kids should not grow up doing their homwork and playing World of Warcraft at the Same Time. KDE4 is making a very concrete step in the direction of task-specific interfaces. A homework desktop, a gaming desktop, a desktop for financial planning. Everything that you need within easy reach, everything you don't need just out of reach. These will make us more productive. I can't be the only one who has a terrible problem with getting distracted by the desktop/internet wilderness. In fact, I was supposed to be doing something other than writing this right now.