Gnome and Slackware lovers

zborgerd · 03-14-2005, 07:40 AM

Well, there are fortunately several forms of GNOME for Slackware now. If Dropline (http://www.dropline.net/gnome) isn't quite to your liking, there are these:

http://gsb.sourceforge.net/
http://www.gware.org/

There was a fourth one as well, but its name escapes me at the moment.

Frankly, I believe that this is much better for end-users anyway. All of the new Slackware-centric GNOME desktops seem to be (in my opinion) more refined than the original Slackware GNOME builds.

chbin · 03-14-2005, 09:58 AM

Personally it annoys the hell out of me when software contiunally doesn't follow simple standards like DESTDIR and I usaully don't use it either. I totally agree with pat on this issue. Ever make your own package and then DESTDIR is ignored and then you have to go hunt the sh*t down on your system to get it into a package and wonder if you got everything, so annoying. If they can't follow simple things like DESTDIR then f*ck them. Get rid of it.

cavalier · 03-14-2005, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by chbin
If they can't follow simple things like DESTDIR then f*ck them. Get rid of it.

While, in general, I agree with this mindset (I'm not a GNOME user, honestly), I wonder...has anyone approached the project manager equivalents at the GNOME project to ask why this might be happening? Are they using a different structure, or just not following the generally accepted methods?

chbin · 03-14-2005, 10:51 AM

Seems like they are just not following the generally accepted methods. I wonder if this is because Red Hat more or less took over the gnome project and frankly don't care if it follows DESTDIR because rpm package manager doesn't use it. Any which way it's annoying. It's spams my system because it can't follow simple standards. I like to keep my sytem clean and don't need that kind of aggrevation.

Tinkster · 03-14-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by evilDagmar
Wait, you're actually complaining about a developmental release of Gnome from that many years ago?

Wait, you actually don't know the meaning of SINCE?

Cheers,
Tink

jong357 · 03-14-2005, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by chbin
Personally it annoys the hell out of me when software contiunally doesn't follow simple standards like DESTDIR and I usaully don't use it either. I totally agree with pat on this issue. Ever make your own package and then DESTDIR is ignored and then you have to go hunt the sh*t down on your system to get it into a package and wonder if you got everything, so annoying. If they can't follow simple things like DESTDIR then f*ck them. Get rid of it.

Funny... Actually, it's not funny in the slightest. That does piss me off to no end. Some of these developers are idiots. As a general rule, if it doesn't use a ./configure and just a make, then you know your screwed from the get-go. You'll have no DESTDIR and no 'make uninstall' as well.....

DaWallace · 03-14-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by evilDagmar
Don't you have something other to do than trash talk things you know nothing about? Like, perhaps, wrestle with dselect?

oh.. I wasn't aware that I knew nothing about the state of slackware and gnome.. thanks for clearing that up for me.. my over a year experience with slackware and many months of using different versions and distributions of gnome for slackware had me a bit confused..
I STILL use slackware and I've used debian for a month on my PERSONAL BOX. I also don't see the point in using dselect when I could use easier frontends or the command line tools.. I see it as the unneccessary middle ground.. the linear interpolation of package management. oh.. except dselect isn't faster.. unlike linear interpolation to cubic.. I reference only image and sound here..

apparantly from everything you've said here ever, you can't read and haven't realized that you can understand something and still hate it. (this is actually the most common method of discovering hatred)

from what you've said I see you only caring about your own opinions and take criticism only as personal insult..

melinda_sayang · 03-28-2005, 01:57 AM

It is already removed......
http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386

perfect_circle · 03-28-2005, 07:38 AM

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gnome/*: Removed from -current, and turned over to community support and
distribution. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons behind this, but it's
been under consideration for more than four years. There are already good
projects in place to provide Slackware GNOME for those who want it, and
these are more complete than what Slackware has shipped in the past. So, if
you're looking for GNOME for Slackware -current, I would recommend looking at
these two projects for well-built packages that follow a policy of minimal
interference with the base Slackware system:

http://gsb.sf.net
http://gware.sf.net

There is also Dropline, of course, which is quite popular. However, due to
their policy of adding PAM and replacing large system packages (like the
entire X11 system) with their own versions, I can't give quite the same sort
of nod to Dropline. Nevertheless, it remains another choice, and it's _your_
system, so I will also mention their project:

http://www.dropline.net/gnome/

Please do not incorrectly interpret any of this as a slight against GNOME
itself, which (although it does usually need to be fixed and polished beyond
the way it ships from upstream more so than, say, KDE or XFce) is a decent
desktop choice. So are a lot of others, but Slackware does not need to ship
every choice. GNOME is and always has been a moving target (even the
"stable" releases usually aren't quite ready yet) that really does demand a
team to keep up on all the changes (many of which are not always well
documented). I fully expect that this move will improve the quality of both
Slackware itself, and the quality (and quantity) of the GNOME options
available for it.

Folks, this is how open source is supposed to work. Enjoy. :-)

This is the best thing to do.
The irony is that in Linux Magazine and in other magazines, in the "software news" where they have an article about slackware 10.1, they have a screenshot of a gnome desktop with a slackware wallpaper...

rezzie · 04-15-2005, 09:25 AM

i read someone post (or signature) in this forum that he says
if gnome must be removed from slackware, then remove kde is a must too

and i agree with him

reddazz · 04-15-2005, 10:33 AM

The reasons for removing GNOME from Slack, don't apply to KDE, so I don't think it will be removed anytime soon.

perfect_circle · 04-15-2005, 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by rezzie
i read someone post (or signature) in this forum that he says
if gnome must be removed from slackware, then remove kde is a must too

and i agree with him

Most devoted slacker have developed an erotic relationship with the console, and use lightweight WM's but as reddazz, the reason behind dropping GNOME, has only to do with problems in maintaining the software.

dosnlinux · 04-18-2005, 09:18 AM

Source is definatly the way to go. Now if only I could find some easy way to get everything I need without downloading multiple files.

perfect_circle · 04-18-2005, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by dosnlinux
Source is definatly the way to go. Now if only I could find some easy way to get everything I need without downloading multiple files.

wget -r will recursively download an ftp directory.

Jeebizz · 04-18-2005, 03:26 PM

GNOME is gone, oh well, it doesn't bother me one bit, granted that I never used GNOME only KDE, but if the same happened to KDE, still , oh well, I have broadband, I can download and build it from source, so it doesn't bother me at all, and lets say I didn't have a fast connection, I could always find someone who does and download it. I find these posts almost as funny as the other posts awhile back when when Pat said he would also drop java from slackware, good , I hate java, but I know that there are those out there that use it, just like those who use GNOME with Slackware. Not everyone can be pleased by Pat's decision, but it is his decision, but if I personally didn't like it, that still doesn't mean I would switch distro, that to me seems a bit too childish... "My favorite toy is no longer available, waaah, I'm leaveing now" attitude towards things. Come on, its not the end of the world, if you want to use GNOME with Slackware, by all means, download it, and build it from source and maintain it yourself.