Hi,

u loved Slackware and Gnome too. But Patrick "hate" Gnome so he does not maintain it anymore. He will remove it from Slackware in Slackware 11 from what I heard....

What will u do??? Just curious....

1. Ok, Pat got the point. Gnome sucks. I change to KDE ( or XFCE )
2. Pat sucks. He does not understand the beauty of Gnome. Bye bye, Pat!!! I will install Ubuntu ( or FC or etc )
3. Dropline rocks!!!!
4. I am geek. I build from source anyway.... who need packages????
5. we use winwin solution. I keep my Slackware but install Gnome from third party project... Every body happy
6. ??????

I'm an xfce person myself, switched from kde a month ago. To be honest, on one side, i don't mind him removing gnome because i don't use it.

On the other side, so what if he does? That doesn't mean that you wont be able to use Gnome on Slackware ever again... From what experience i have, i know that anyone who wants to use slackware, will have enough knowledge to install and remove software/packages at will.

Removing Gnome will just mean that you wont find ready made packages for it on the CD.. But i'm sure others will make the packages ready, and thus saving pat the time so that he can concentrate on other things. If so, then im sure you will be able to download them from, say, linuxpackages.net. Or just compile it yourself.. And if you complain about compiling, then maby you should think if slackware is the right distro for you or not

I mean i use alot of software which i don't find in Slackware's site, CDs, or even sometimes in lp.net.. but seing as how well made slack is, compiling form source isn't the impossible or daunting task i once thought it was.

Personally speaking, if i had the choice between Gnome or OpenOffice.org to be put on the second CD.. i'd choose OO


Btw, by "you" i dont mean YOU in person.. but it makes more sense to read it that way instead of saying "if one does this, or one does that"

EDIT:
6. I don't use Gnome anyway

Building from source would be a pain, but that would be the option I would prefer.

funny I head that rumor too but havn't seen pat officially announce it? now were on the slackware site or in the change logs or anything.

I don't personally like or use gnome so I don't care if it goes.

he does not maintain it anymore

hmm, why do you say that. all the gnome packages are updated and it's in the slackware directory not /pasture or anything... so yes it is maintained. if it breaks sometimes for you that's just because gnome sucks! just kidding, i know you are a gnome user. but yeah it is maintained.

http://www.dropline.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3430
there's a link to it there, and i believe i think i've read it in the old changelog before.

He maintains them but I have noticed that the GNOME packages are not the very latest, most are from 2.6 (correct me if I am wrong).

Slackware 9.1 --> Gnome 2.4
Slackware 10 --> Gnome 2.6
Slackware 10.1 --> Gnome 2.6
Slackware 11 --> Guess what???

It doesn't bother me one bit, as there are several (four, I believe) groups who seem to be producing good Gnome installations specifically for Slackware. I don't see why Pat should burden himself with this onerous task when there are others who are willing and evidently able to do it.

Even without Gnome, there'll be plenty of choice in the desktop environment-window manager category. And with these other packagers producing Gnome packages especially for Slackware, I don't see how we're losing out at all.

curious hasn't red hat basically taken over the gnome project. rpm dependency hell sound familiar, things breaking left and right and not following standards like DESTDIR. might be why gnome has fallen off track.

ashame because even tough I don't use gnome i still want kde to have some competition. I don't want a microsoft in linux. competition is good. it makes the developers strive to make the product as good as it can be.

That pretty much says it all. Let Patrick use his time and energy to work on Slackware, and let someone else work on Gnome-for-Slackware.

melinda_sayang i don't use it so i don't keep track of the version at all. was gnome 2.6 the latest at slack 10.1 release?

I think the only way I am going to miss gnome is if something else I use depends on gnome's libraries.

In truth, I have never really understood what the advantages of gnome or kde are. I guess there are some interprocess communications things going on there in the background, but when I have used kde and gnome, I have never really seen any great advantage over Xfce or fluxbox. On the contrary, I am not patient enough to sit through the blinking icons as services are started and libraries loaded. (And now I am looking at fluxbox as an alternative to Xfce for similar reasons. IMHO, if the logo flashes more than twice during loading, it is a good sign of bloat.) If it isn't simple enough to configure using vim on a text file, it's probably to complicated.

And for gnome specifically, if you want it that badly, get dropline or compile it yourself. In fact, if you compile it yourself, it may give you an understanding of why Patrick thinks it is too time intensive to maintain.

On a final note, I am not sure what the choice of desktop environment/window manager has to do with the choice of distribution. One way or another, you can get them all to work on any distro. Choice of distro seems to me to be more a question of configurability, of a layout you understand and feel confortable with, and of the goals of the folks distibuting it. For all those reasons, I wouldn't leave Slackware, even if Patrick didn't include any desktop environments or window managers.

i have not liked Gnome-2.x seemed sort of wierd to me, i did once like Gnome-1.4 without Nautilus drawing the desktop, but really i am not picky about Window managers, I use xfce-4.05 from Slackware-10 in 10.1 as i am not really fond of xfce4.2 either. maybe i am picky but not in the sence that i want bells & whistles, i rather keep my window manager "spartin" like xfce-4.5 and sometimes i use fvwm2 with a totally customized fvwm2rc file that has my applications in the menu, font sizes, etc... what i really like about xfce & fvwm2 is being able to change virtual desktops just by bumping the edge of the screen with the mouse/curser and the application window already focused and ready to use IMHO it is better than taskbar icons...

Dropline or GWARE. Depends on which is more to my taste.