-current first impression

igadoter · 02-02-2021, 04:55 AM

Finally installed. The first I edited /etc/inittab to allow six virtual consoles - but default they are only two. Second soma frontend to easy listen to internet radio station just buggy. In console it breaks terminal setup: eg. cursor became invisible. Some part of functionality is broken. Station edition is complete mess: after that to run soma one needs to clear /etc/soma/soma.conf file. I didn't verify this but it requires administrative privileges: to edit this file. URL for radio staions can be incorrect - this the case of def con radio.

Didier Spaier · 02-02-2021, 05:22 AM

The title of this thread is misleading. I suggest that you change it to "Soma. First impressions."

igadoter · 02-02-2021, 05:41 AM

Default two virtual consoles is something I didn't expect. And it is not about soma. There is questions about configuration files under /etc - one file belongs to user. User customization file. It is put under /etc - I would rather expect it under $HOME/ - as a rule. Not because of soma. Just user does not have direct access to file it created. It is I in my opinion about system management.

Edit: Let put this like that: Slackware provides not well-designed and buggy application. Easy to break and not easy to repair (requires admin privileges). And in fact it is just front-end to mplayer.

teoberi · 02-02-2021, 05:56 AM

I always thought that Slackware is OK for servers and less OK for desktops.

chris.willing · 02-02-2021, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igadoter

Default two virtual consoles is something I didn't expect.

My (unchanged) /etc/inittab has

Code:

# These are the standard console login getties in multiuser mode:
c1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty --noclear 38400 tty1 linux
c2:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty2 linux
c3:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty3 linux
c4:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty4 linux
c5:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty5 linux
c6:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux

i.e. six consoles as expected.

Quote:

Originally Posted by igadoter

And it is not about soma. There is questions about configuration files under /etc - one file belongs to user. User customization file. It is put under /etc - I would rather expect it under $HOME/ - as a rule. Not because of soma. Just user does not have direct access to file it created. It is I in my opinion about system management.

Soma's user config file is in $HOME/.soma/ just as you want.

chris

igadoter · 02-02-2021, 06:16 AM

Mine had only two (!?).

Didier Spaier · 02-02-2021, 06:19 AM

[Useless post removed]

igadoter · 02-02-2021, 06:43 AM

About soma: I agree. I was working late night - probably was too tired and missed something. Configuration file is indeed under $HOME - is just not readable. User stations -> Add station - is causing mess here. But I just wake up and I see this

Code:

bash-5.1$ ls /run/
NetworkManager  acpid.socket   atd.pid  cups  dhcpcd-wlan0-4.pid  elogind.pid  gpm.pid      lock  mount     smartd.pid  syslogd.pid  udev     user
acpid.pid       agetty.reload  cron     dbus  elogind             faillock     haveged.pid  lvm   runlevel  sshd.pid    systemd      udisks2  utmp

I mean media/ subdirectory is missing (!?).

Code:

bash-5.1$ history | grep media
    4  ls /run/media/piotr/5FB77A1F7EDC9AFB/Slackware-current/

Code:

bash-5.1$ ls /run/ | grep media
bash-5.1$

My laptop is working non-stop. During the night I switched to runlevel 3.

Edit: About soma

Code:

bash-5.1$ file `which soma`
/usr/bin/soma: Bourne-Again shell script, UTF-8 Unicode text executable

is using dialog widgets - as well dialog can be broken. It happens. What worries are UTF-8 characters in script. Seems to run some I should enable utf-8 support in console. From other hand konsole has support for utf-8 and there is still mess when trying to add/edit/delete user radio stations. An word of explanation

Code:

bash-5.1$ head -7 `which soma`
#!/bin/bash
# {{{ Copyright
# Soma - a command line/dialog radio player
#
# Copyright 2010 David Woodfall <dave@dawoodfall.net>
# All rights reserved.
# Copyright tmproot modifications Patrick Volkerding, with thanks.

it is useless to question sympathies of our BDFL.

chris.willing · 02-02-2021, 06:58 AM

I think /run/media is only created when required. It did not exist here until I inserted a USB stick - then /run/media/chris/USBSLACKINS/ was created. When I removed the USB stick, only /run/media/chris remained - presumably in case I added some other media - and I guess 'media/chris' will disappear completely after the next reboot (until I insert some other media).

chris

enorbet · 02-02-2021, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teoberi

I always thought that Slackware is OK for servers and less OK for desktops.

That hasn't been my experience. I did run a Slackware Minecraft server for a few years that performed great but I've been using Slackware as my Main "Daily Driver" Desktop system for two decades and though I've dedicated partitions to full installs of some 50+ distros over that time, nothing does what I want anywhere close to Slackware. I imagine that has to do with what we've grown to expect and like from an operating system, but I think that is exactly why Slackware is supreme. It is stated as a "mission objective" that Patrick will not try to assume what people will do with their system.. All of the others to one degree or another, some massively so, all but demand we do it their way. Many distros these days disallow any root login, in fact don't even setup a root account, and depend totally on sudo. Many even include disallowing things like "kdesu" for launching apps with root privileges. This sends me a message that these systems expect their userbase to be irresponsible and incapable of RTFM. Yeah... NO!

Alien Bob · 02-02-2021, 09:22 AM

You found two VT's only? I guess you installed from a Slackware Live ISO because that limits the amount of virtual terminals to 2 instead of the default 6.

If all you can do is complain about Soma - it is nothing but a front-end to mplayer, you want to edit files in /etc/ with your non-root user account, you don't want to enable UTF-8 support? Just use something else and stop complaining about stuff that is working as intended.

igadoter · 02-02-2021, 09:59 AM

Thanks AlienBob. You right. I installed from your Slacklive. These are my first impressions. Just as user. I played with Xfce, Plasma, wanted to hear radio station: url was wrong, tried to add myself - it is totally wrong. I edited (as root) station.conf to fix wrong url. Now I try to fix language setting in Plasma. I am trying to add utf-8 support in console. Noticed in console Shift+PgUp, Shift+PgDown don't work. Perhaps old non-fixed bug in kernel. It is just two days only. I think many users will decide to use own themes, icons for Plasma instead of default. Local language settings. It is like digging holes: maybe I will find something, maybe not. I posted in Plasma thread: Plasma on Wayland has problems running on external monitor.

MDKDIO · 02-02-2021, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igadoter

.....Noticed in console Shift+PgUp, Shift+PgDown don't work....

If you by that mean the konsole in KDE, it is working fine here (full install, updated Feb 1)

igadoter · 02-02-2021, 11:09 AM

I mean virtual consoles, tty's.

Didier Spaier · 02-02-2021, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igadoter

I mean virtual consoles, tty's.

This was decided by Linus Torvalds. There's nothing Slackware can do about it.