What can do veteran programmers against new ones, who ignorant of footprint/memory usage?
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What can do veteran programmers against new ones, who ignorant of footprint/memory usage?
Hello,
After reading the following post, I could realize that visibly bloating is not due to the system but by programmers making it
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Ted is a Linux rich text editor which has one significant good side: It is not bloated. It is written in pure C/C++ and offers everything a simple word processor may offer: Pages and margins, choosing font, attributes (bold, italic etc.), saving to text files, RTF and even simple HTML format. But the most important thing in TED is that it is not wasting memory and CPU cycles for useless things. Editors which need GTK require few GB of libraries. AbiWord likes to pull significant part of Gnome from repo. Ted is just working on basic libraries. It is possible to have a program to write being focused on writing without gigabytes of libraries! However, the biggest problem with Ted is that it is not supported anymore in Debian, as well as in many other distributions.
Editors which need GTK require few GB of libraries.
this is a total BS statement for 2 reasons:
a) Ted itself has a list of dependencies, including gtk2: freetype2 desktop-file-utils ghostscript gtk2 libjpeg libpaper libpng libtiff libxpm pcre zlib
AND ted's installed size is 90MB...
AND it only does richtext, aka RTF...
b) gtk2 isn't that big, about 30MB on my system. gtk3 has 70MB. altogether, nowhere near even one GB.
that said, i agree with this sentiment:
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Originally Posted by Xeratul
It is simply due to most of the new programmers that make Linux software, maintain them and make choices for the famous distributions. Veteran programmers which had much less resources of today hardware could make excellent programs. Not necessarily shining but efficient.
however, things are not so black/white.
there's many good programmers creating good, unbloated software, e.g. http://suckless.org/
etc.
Maybe the veterans can take a more defensible position than calling others ignorant for using libraries?
The "bloat" pejorative seems to just amount to any program that offers any more than zero functionality that you don't use. Which phrased another way is, all software is probably doomed to be bloated if more than one person is going to use it. Ted might avoid bloat, but users have likewise avoided using Ted.
Ted would be nice if it could do any document format besides .txt and .rtf.
For such limited functionality, Ted's installed size & list of dependencies is just ridiculous.
sorry, ted developer. maybe that's why you didn't work on it for 4 years?
about dillo:
it chokes on https. that's very, very sad.
Ted would be nice if it could do any document format besides .txt and .rtf.
Sometimes you don't need any more than that. I think there's a niche for something between text-editor and fully-fledged office suite. I've been known to write documents with 'wordpad' (when forced to use Windows).
If you don't need SSL/TLS or javascript, it's great.
What a great thing Java, flash, .... really kinda slow.
Sometimes the cpu indicated 150% or more with the command "top". Firefox is genius application for reducing the lifetime of a machine more cpu cycles, better sales, ... more informatics sold, more money for MS, MAC and Google.
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