You are entitled to your own uninformed opinions.

You have also missed a couple of nice OS: FreeDOS, which is actually useful and impressive, and MenuetOS, with which I have never played but is nevertheless interesting.

Anyway, have fun.

you say mac is expensive yet windows is 4x more i mean WTF?
i havent used it personally but your bashing is uncalled for

Yeah, I saw the link. However, from my own research that is not the common price. I can find people selling copies of windows cheap on ebay, that doesn't mean windows is cheap. Remember also that you need Mac hardware to run OS X, which is expensive, and since the hardware isn't significantly different from pc hardware, the price difference logically must be the software. Either that or they are overcharging for hardware. I'm not the first to complain about price.

Calling me uninformed is uncalled for. I told you all my reason. Disagree with me, thats fine, but I gave you valid reasons.

That being said, I did forget to mention FreeDOS, I haven't used it for a while, but when I did, I liked it a lot, I would like to see some more development for that OS.
I never heard or MenuetOS before, but since you mentioned it, I looked it up. I have to say, it looks magical. Screenshots look gorgeous! Its written entirely in assembly, fits on a single floppy, and has a beautiful GUI. Honestly, its like a dream come true for me! I can't wait to try it out.
Here is the link for anyone else interested: http://www.menuetos.net/
It looks like the epitome of efficiency. Beautiful. I'll post more after I try it out.

Windows is pretty expensive, but what a terrible argument. Since when have I shown any appreciation for windows? Windows is just as bad. I don't have to bash windows because people on this forum realize that its terrible.
The bashing is uncalled for, I agree. I'm sorry, but the ruthless defense is also uncalled for. I gave my review of OS X. I don't like it, thats all that needs to be said, its not an obscure OS, so this isn't the thread to discuss it in. So please, lets stop and get back to what this thread is about.
I think I said that before, but nobody listened.


Here's the deal, I won't mention OS X again in this thread if everybody else agrees to do the same. Deal?

I tried KolibriOS in a VM. I dislike VMs because they are inefficient, but it was faster than the other method.
KolibriOS is based on MenuetOS. It's a fork of MenuetOS. I did not test MenuetOS yet because I couldn't get their floppy image to boot. KolibriOS comes as a Live CD. It booted in my VM in literally under 1 second. The GUI came up immediately. There are many programs installed on it already. I have to say its the fastest OS I have ever used, it blows everything else away. There was never one single millisecond of delay. Applications open almost before I release the mouse button. I didn't try to do any development on it, but there are a number of higher level languages available, such as C, C++, and even C--. The OS is written in FASM (assembly), which is the reason it is so ridiculously fast and efficient. I know assembly programmers who say that assembly is noticeably faster than higher-level languages like C (I'm a C programmer mostly), and I believed them, but I had NO clue the difference was so great. Back to the review. There is a number of web applications installed, including chat programs and a simple web browser, even an email client, as well as many common server programs (TFTP, FTP, HTTP). A nice shell with some UNIX-like commands, such as ls and more. It looks excellent, graphics are top notch, there are a number of graphics demos, including 3D graphic demos. It looks excellent. There are a number of games installed on the Live CD. Mostly puzzle games, but they are fun to play, thats what I spent most of the time doing. Also included is a CD player! I'm really in awe.
Oh, and did i mention that the ENTIRE LIVE CD IS 4,579,328 BYTES?!? That's 4.4 megabytes!! The entire OS, all that software, GUI, games, compilers, all those drivers, ARE LESS THAN THE SIZE OF THE LINUX KERNEL!! You could fit about 1000 copies of the entire distribution on one DVD. This OS is a dream come true!!!!!!!!
Not everybody cares as much as I do about efficiency, I respect that. But just take a look at what this OS has accomplished! AND I WAS RUNNING THIS IN A VM! VMs are always slow.
Now, to be fare, I will list some negative things about it as well. Just to show that I'm not just posting this because of the sudden adrenaline rush cause by my first experience with KolibriOS.
Cons:
1. Single clicks open an application. While this isn't really a con, its something to get used to. And it can be annoying when combined with con #2.
2. Sometimes, its a little too responsive. If you double click on an application, it will open 2 of them. and it does it so fast you wont see what happened. It will look like one is open (they both open in the same place), but its actually 2 of them stacked up. You won't see the other until you close or move the first.
3. Some applications are difficult to close. There are 2 reasons for this, 1 is related to con #2. The mouse moves so fast, and the little 'x' icon is so small, you will end up maximizing windows rather than closing them. Windows has this problem, but its not quite so bad. Also, not all programs actually have a little 'x'. Some you need to click a quit button in the application, which isn't always properly labeled. Some may have a quit button, but I couldn't find it, so I had to close it by right clicking on the start-menu like bar and clicking close.
4. The web browser is not very featured. I couldn't actually get it to work, I'm not sure I had networking turned on, I'll have to get some more experience with the OS first, but it seemed to be only a simple HTML capable browser. I wouldn't expect flash or java support.
5. Partially related to con #3. Many buttons are not very clearly labeled.
6. Keyboard repeat. The key repeating is actually very good. If you hold down a key long enough, it will repeat, press it once, and it will only register one key press. Works great for typing. However, not so great in the games.. They don't seem to know when the keys are being held down, just when they are pressed or repeating.
7. I'm tired!! It's after 3 and I need at least 4 hours of sleep every night. I have work at 8:30. But this OS is keeping me up!

I can't wait to show everybody at work though.
Here's my conclusion: I love it, its a dream come true. While not 100% feature complete, its pretty damn close. With some more work on the web browser, it could easily be used as a general purpose desktop OS. I look forward to using this OS in the future.

I included kolibri in my PupPak-v1.0.iso
its very fast, as you said

also plays on 10mb ram!!
thats really cool

also, let me "append" that with some more info

I used the kolibri.img along with memdisk
and you can save settings, etc running from usb or hdd

here's syslinux.cfg and menu.lst entries from my PupPak-v1.0.iso
6 puppies + more
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...96#post3672896

isolinux/syslinux enntry for kolibri

and grub entry

you can get that by getting puppak 1
or by getting the kolibri.img and memdisk

memdisk is found in syslinux download
http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/MEMDISK

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/boot/syslinux/

run it from usb and see how everything is persistent

Your research? Ebay? That $29 price is straight from Apple. It the official price for Snow Leopard.


OK. Separate issue. I (and many others) would argue that the hardware is worth the price because it is high quality, reliable, well designed hardware. And it's not like you can't find expensive PC hardware as well.

Umm.. WHAT THE HELL DID I JUST SAY?

http://www.google.com/products/catal...26&sa=button#p
Here's the link I found. You ignored it last time.

Tell me how Mac hardware is better. Give me one reason. Looking pretty is not a reason, and neither is an Apple logo.

Forgive me for being pissed off, but this is not the place, now shut the hell up.

My preferred "obscure OS" is FreeDOS.

Thank you for being on topic

Getting a bit snippy, are we?

Your link is old product, being sold from sites that are not Apple. It is not Snow Leopard. It's more like the guys outside the Patriot's stadium scalping tickets to the Super Bowl.


Like you said, this is not the place. You ask me to debate ("Tell me how... Give me one reason..."), and then tell me to "shut the hell up."

I think you need to take a deep breath. Then, let's drop it. Like I said, I could care less how much you dislike Apple. Your prerogative.

with a big of hacking you can get it working on a pc

I am getting a bit snippy. This is pretty annoying. Considering I said I wouldn't mention it and then the very next post was another post about Mac.

Yes, I know, OSx86. Considering the fact that its technically illegal, I didn't think it needed to be mentioned.

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...9230934AAR7n1O
but this is about obscure os'es not apple so like you said no more

Skyos operating system not maintained and i did not test it.