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Old 10-31-2003, 08:13 AM   #61
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Originally posted by aus9
sorry if I hijack this thread but the original poster may be interested.

I find a clean install (yep ms like) is the way to go. You are forced to backup your data files etc. But I believe you should not assume your configs for version A will work in B.

And gurus keep on telling us to backup in any case.

No need to apologize, its more like hijacking back into the direction the thread first started in

I also find a clean install works best...I've tried the upgrade path for Mandrake before (every version since 6.0 almost) and its never EVER worked properly....worst case, I lost my whole setup and had to do a fresh install, best case I was riddled with bugs and such...

However, now what I do (since 9.0) is I keep /home on a separate partition and before going to a new version, I back up /etc files and other stuff inside /home...then I wipe everything else and do a clean install...I usually don't restore files taken from /etc verbatim (ie: straight copy) but instead I compare them and "tweak" (for example, my audio on my laptop has ALWAYS been problematic...I found the right settings while having Mdk 8.0 so I don't want to lose them...).

And since I usually keep my data (ie: text docs, source-code I'm working on, email and such) in my home directory, it works as a backup during a fresh install (I also back it up to my file server regularily)
 
Old 10-31-2003, 08:54 AM   #62
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Originally posted by aus9 umm Dapper Dan others have concerns on upgrades.
Umm yes I know, and that's why I related my story about my experiences with Mdk 9, 9.1 and 9.2. I've yet to see a thread that doesn't wander somewhat...
 
Old 11-01-2003, 10:30 AM   #63
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Originally posted by tcaptain
I also find a clean install works best...I've tried the upgrade path for Mandrake before (every version since 6.0 almost) and its never EVER worked properly....worst case, I lost my whole setup and had to do a fresh install, best case I was riddled with bugs and such...

However, now what I do (since 9.0) is I keep /home on a separate partition and before going to a new version, I back up /etc files and other stuff inside /home...then I wipe everything else and do a clean install...I usually don't restore files taken from /etc verbatim (ie: straight copy) but instead I compare them and "tweak" (for example, my audio on my laptop has ALWAYS been problematic...I found the right settings while having Mdk 8.0 so I don't want to lose them...).

And since I usually keep my data (ie: text docs, source-code I'm working on, email and such) in my home directory, it works as a backup during a fresh install (I also back it up to my file server regularily)
really good advice, next to waiting for 9.2 to settle down first, this is the best advice i could give to anybody wanting to try 9.2

- perry
 
Old 11-01-2003, 02:09 PM   #64
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Hmmm...

Actually I would recommend new users 9.1 . 9.2 is just to buggy. 9.2 has some upgrades that solves some bugs in 9.1 but these can be worked around easier than the bugs I find in 9.2 ...

As I have been testing 9.2 rc1 aand rc2 a great deal, I would actually recommend 9.2rc2 (the last test-version of 9.2) since many of the bugs present in 9.2 aren't in 92.rc2 (some minor though).

But the *important* comment from me being: Mdk9.2 has actually annoyed me so much that I decided to move to Gentoo. I've been a realy heavy mandrake fan for several years now, but I just can't use 9.2 . The test versions where promising and with a few upgrades I find them loads better than the "proper" 9.2.

NB: I've had my first three and really hard freeszes with 9.2 (everything absolutely dead).

PS: Gentoo with xfce4 is really &%#-kicking. The desktop responds almost before you click anything. Terminals and filemanagers just go ZAP**"In Your Face!!!"

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Old 11-01-2003, 07:45 PM   #65
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Originally posted by kamstrup ...I've had my first three and really hard freeszes with 9.2 (everything absolutely dead).
9.2rc2 did that with me as well. 9.0 would freeze a screen occasionally, but I could always xkill my way out of it. A few times with 9.2, I couldn't even get to xkill because everything was frozen.
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...by kamstrup PS: Gentoo with xfce4 is really ?&%#-kicking. The desktop responds almost before you click anything. Terminals and filemanagers just go ZAP**"In Your Face!!!"
That REALLY makes me want to have a look at Gentoo!
 
Old 11-01-2003, 08:40 PM   #66
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Ahhh... back in the old days... 9.0

9.0... That was when I really got hooked on Mandrake. (OK, 8.2 was great)
- Install was a real pleaure - that means user friendly and intuitive (window$ freak look here: I've actually never managed to install and run winXP (I could tell you many stories about this. - On request I could start a a new unsuccesful-winXP-install-thread) ). :-)

0) As regarding my three freezes; No keyboard respond at all. No swithcing ttys or ctrl+alt+backspace, just completely no response. Hard reset final solution.

1) I've heard (many) positive things about the 2.6 kernel - why didn't mandrake wait for that? 9.1 was quite good. The urpmi-9.1 system was/is working great regarding upgrades.

2) Dapper Dan - see the non-existing thread http://oisfdg.sdfgstwq.ponchgsy; it doesn't wander.

3) Gentoo is NICE if you've got (a little) linux-skill and about 47 hours of spare time for compiling the kernel, xfree, xfce4, mplayer, mozilla-firebird, emacs, tetex etc...
 
Old 11-01-2003, 09:33 PM   #67
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Originally posted by kamstrup 2) Dapper Dan - see the non-existing thread http://oisfdg.sdfgstwq.ponchgsy; it doesn't wander.
LOL!
 
Old 11-03-2003, 10:00 AM   #68
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PS: Gentoo with xfce4 is really &%#-kicking. The desktop responds almost before you click anything. Terminals and filemanagers just go ZAP**"In Your Face!!!"
ROTFL

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Old 11-03-2003, 11:35 AM   #69
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i dont think we can talk about 9.2 without mentioning the kernel... because thats the biggest upgrade!
upgrading kernel on a 9.1 is probably as good as upgradin whole sytem to 9.2...
 
Old 11-04-2003, 03:45 AM   #70
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Then why not use the 2.6 kernel (yes I now it is still on test-stage) ? I've heard pretty good things about it so far. Very good usb-support and a new thread-system that allows faster response for desktop apps. I think I'm gonna try it my self very soon.
 
Old 11-04-2003, 05:15 AM   #71
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Originally posted by hulkt
i dont think we can talk about 9.2 without mentioning the kernel... because thats the biggest upgrade!
upgrading kernel on a 9.1 is probably as good as upgradin whole sytem to 9.2...
can you upgrade the kernal on 9.1 without causing major problems ?

in any event, 9.1 as it is right now seems to be bringing out the very very best my little dell inspiron 7500 can offer. windoze had it cursed far too long

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Old 11-04-2003, 05:58 AM   #72
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Originally posted by kamstrup
Then why not use the 2.6 kernel (yes I now it is still on test-stage) ? I've heard pretty good things about it so far. Very good usb-support and a new thread-system that allows faster response for desktop apps. I think I'm gonna try it my self very soon.
i have both an external maxtor harddrive and a backpack cd-rewriter, both communicate over the usb however it's slow. in fact the cd burner won't even connect with the usb support i have now. about 2 months ago i went looking on the backpack website for linux support and they had none, today they do but it's brand spanking new and therefore not ready

if 2.6 has 'very good usb-support' hopefully that means it'll cover those issues

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Old 11-04-2003, 06:21 AM   #73
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I honestly don't know if mdk9.2 will coorperate with the 2.6 kernel at all, but I know gentoo will.

Regarding your cd-writer have you tried http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/searc...ttern=backpack ?
 
Old 11-04-2003, 06:49 AM   #74
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Originally posted by kamstrup
Regarding your cd-writer have you tried http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/searc...ttern=backpack ?
actually it's 9.1 that i have installed but thanks for the link on the cd-writer

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Old 11-04-2003, 07:13 AM   #75
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Originally posted by kamstrup
http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/searc...ttern=backpack ?
thanks to your help i was able to see that the hotplug i had installed ended in _8 and not _17, a sutle difference but one that slowed me down.

however....

it installed just fine (and the bcpk...rpm), question is, what do i do know...

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