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Old 10-29-2003, 12:08 PM   #46
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hmm

well i've been using 9.2 for almost a week now
everything seems basically ok
except for the periodic hanging after logging out from kde
these lockups mean no keyboard stroke/strokes will make any difference to the machine
it requires switching the power off manually then back on

i'm downloading the list of updates now,
(as of the weekend just gone i was fully up to date - don't know if any more have been released), but the problem still occurred
don't know whether there is a connection between this and the strange behaviour of the nvidia driver installation


hmm
qt3 updates available to fix problem with Chinese IME (???)

at the possible risk of repeating myself
whatever else may or may not be true
the 3d stuff is greatly improved
i've had better performance from real player
one or two apps that i could not get to work on 9.1
now work fine (acidrip and alephone for example)

as an aside....

off to my first LUG meeting tonight!


ps
can anyone tell me how to make the address at the bottom of my sig' into a proper hyperlink?

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Old 10-29-2003, 03:49 PM   #47
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Unless the iso's or final are much better than rc2, theres no way I would consider upgrading. Ive spent most of my day trying to get my printer working, (lexmark Z32) using the lexmark driver and lexmark-foomatic kit. All to no avail. Everything was a breeze in 9.1. My rpm drake is broken, and locks up when selecting some packages. I have correctly configured the sources(all local because I download at school and bring em home), and rpmdrake still locks up when i select certain packages. Specifically gxmame, xmame, and xmame-sdl, I then installed these with kpackage with no problems.

I apologize for any incoherence here, as I am venting a bit.

I forgot to mention that printerdrake has changed and wont let you change the printing system from cups to lpr.

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Old 10-29-2003, 04:11 PM   #48
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I used 9.0 for a long time and made the mistake of trying to upgrade to 9.1. After a week of pulling my hair out, I went back to MDK 9.0. When 9.2 came out I thought, "surely they've addressed the issues I had with 9.1!" To my great suprise, 9.2 was not much better than 9.1, and after another 10 days trying to upgrade my Mandrake box, I just decided it wasn't worth it. I've been supporting Mandrake for over a year now as a member or Mandrakeclub, and have bought the boxed versions, but for me, I just felt like 9.1 and 9.2 were a huge step down from how great 9.0 was. I decided to switch to Red Hat 9.0. It was a real challenge to get IceWM to work properly under RH 9 whereas it is included and works well in Mandrake. I mainly swithced because I really like apt-get RPM. I still use Mdk 9.0 on two work boxes though. I know many of you really like 9.1 and 9.2 and that's great. After all, Linux is all about having choices. For me, 9.1 and 9.2 were absolute nightmares, and I just decided RH was going to suit my needs on my home box better...
 
Old 10-29-2003, 08:41 PM   #49
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dapper Dan
I still use Mdk 9.0 on two work boxes though. I know many of you really like 9.1 and 9.2 and that's great. After all, Linux is all about having choices. For me, 9.1 and 9.2 were absolute nightmares, and I just decided RH was going to suit my needs on my home box better...
Wow that's so weird Dapper...you've just described the experience I had upgrading from 8.1 to 9.0 I ended up sticking it out and having a barely useable system but then 9.1 came out a couple of weeks after and for me everything just clicked.

I really hope RH does the trick for you...you are absolutely right...linux is about choices...and what works for YOU is what's important (I can never understand the distro wars...its all linux to me and that's what matters...)
 
Old 10-29-2003, 09:09 PM   #50
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I've been thinking the same thing! Who can understand why everyone's experiences are so different! I know a guy who never used Linux before, and decided to try Debian and installed it the first time around! I tried 4 times to install Debian after using Mandrake for over a year and finally gave up! LOL!
I'm sure some of it is hardware related, and maybe it has a lot to do with what software one prefers to use. I had been using Mdk 8.3 and when I bought the 9.0 box set it was like being born again! Familiarity? Maybe. 9.1 and 9.2 just seemed downright broken to me. 9.0 felt, (and continues to feel) really solid. When I first installed 9.1 I had to use xf86config, which I never had to do with 9.0. 9.2 kept giving errors and I couldn't run KDE programs. Although I will say 9.1 and 9.2 were much slicker in appearance. Ever thought about trying Gentoo?
 
Old 10-30-2003, 04:09 AM   #51
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back to 9.1

I've went back to 9.1 and re-installed about 1GB of tex, contrib, and plf to go with it. After struggling with my 9.2rc2(with updates and rpms from iso), I have to say that I don't know whats up at mdk. They changed printer drake and its all to hell now.(See previous post) Rpmdrake froze frequently. And after going back to 9.1 even with all the pretty aesthetics(high perf liquid, crystal icons, glow ect) the speed difference between the two for me really was night and day.

I installed Openoffice 1.1 from a cd, first as network, then as workstation. And it is much speedier under 9.1. I did the installation that way so multiple users wouldnt have to install the whole thing to a local directory, but I realize that if all are on the same box, they can all access /usr/local/ so I dont know why Openoffice install.txt suggests that.

Like the others have mentioned, for some it might work, for me 9.2 blows. I guess I'll have to figure out how to upgrade packages myself should the need arise. that kinda sucks because it took a good hour for me to compile kopete(on 9.2), xscreensaver only took a few minutes in 9.1, and I dont understand the big differences but then I'm not really a programmer and have only programed a little for a college course in C++.

Anyway to each his own. 9.1 flys like the wind for me tho. And I got my printer working without any hangups at all. (i use lpr and couldnt select that in 9.2)

Good Luck everyone.
 
Old 10-30-2003, 06:21 AM   #52
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Although I will say 9.1 and 9.2 were much slicker in appearance. Ever thought about trying Gentoo?
if, for no other reason, other than the 'transparent' panels i would switch and stick with 9.1 for now...

9.2 will be along just as soon as it gets thru it's sea trials...

but i just don't want to be a part of the sea trials - too busy

- perry
 
Old 10-30-2003, 06:50 AM   #53
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Originally posted by perry ...but i just don't want to be a part of the sea trials - too busy - perry
perry, that is a major part of why I switched my home box to RH. We all understand the importance of sending in bug reports for the betterment of the product, but for me, I felt like I would be spending more time working out, and on bugs than getting work done with Mdk 9.1 and 9.2. I'm running into some issues with RH 9 that I never experienced with Mdk, but they are minor to deal with, mostly having to do with Nautilus. With RH I can use konqueror or the Gentoo file manager which is alot like Krusader but without ftp support. I will try the next version of Mdk when it comes out, but until then, RH is working very well for me.

On a somewhat related note: I remember the first time I installed Mdk 9.0 and thinking, "..Wow! If Windows users knew how easy this was to install and use, they would change to Mandrake Linux in a heartbeat!" I still suggest to folks who are wanting to switch, to go with either Mdk or RH 9 to start out with. For me, Mdk 9.0 is really fun and easy to use.
 
Old 10-30-2003, 09:05 AM   #54
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On a somewhat related note: I remember the first time I installed Mdk 9.0 and thinking, "..Wow! If Windows users knew how easy this was to install and use, they would change to Mandrake Linux in a heartbeat!" I still suggest to folks who are wanting to switch, to go with either Mdk or RH 9 to start out with. For me, Mdk 9.0 is really fun and easy to use.
to my delightful surprise, i only had 1/2 of the of updates installed on my Mdk 9.0 box. i now have everything updated, i'm wondering if i'll notice much of a difference. interestingly, my xircom laptop adaptor card for notebooks is working better. i don't know if the updates had anything to do with it or my re-creating of my main home directory when trying to resolve a nasty menu bug. previously the xircom card was fixed at 33.5k to the internet, now it does what windows can do at 100 Kbps.

tempting to put 9.1 on the laptop, but i got it on the desktop and i think it would be good to keep it like that so that i can see all the differences between the two.

interestingly, the samba stuff i has 'roughly' working a month ago is still pretty 'dead' on both machines. besides nfs there must be an easier way to link two linux boxes together using a linksys router. i just don't have the patience for anyting related to windows anymore

cheers

- perry
 
Old 10-30-2003, 10:11 AM   #55
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Perry I'm using Morphix-Gnome 4.1, on our laptop, and everything except the phone modem works perfectly. Here's the details in case you may want to consider it..

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...601#post540601

The good thing about Morphix is that since it's a cd distro, you can burn it from the iso and boot it up on your laptop. If everything works from the cd then you'll pretty much know if will also work for you when installed to hd. Saves a lot of trial and error time. Seems like I remember Mandrake had a cd distro available at one time, but I can't be sure..
 
Old 10-30-2003, 11:41 AM   #56
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Perry I'm using Morphix-Gnome 4.1, on our laptop, and everything except the phone modem works perfectly. Here's the details in case you may want to consider it..
thanks i'll keep that in mind. i have another 3rd pc in back of me here and all it needs is a keyboard. it has windows 95 and 16 mb of ram, it's 5 years old. my girlfriend paid $3000 for back then i think, you get the picture.

well, i'd like to put linux on it, perhaps after giving it a real operating system, the machine despite it's age will run better than it ever did. the only thing it really has to do is be a msn4lin box for the kids....

but thanks for the idea, using a linux distro on a cd will save me ooodles of "what-ifs"

also, it seems getting my mdk 9.0 up to date is really paying off, it seems to be much more respondsive than what it was earlier.

- perry
 
Old 10-30-2003, 12:29 PM   #57
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..i have another 3rd pc in back of me here and all it needs is a keyboard. it has windows 95 and 16 mb of ram, it's 5 years old. my girlfriend paid $3000 for back then i think, you get the picture. well, i'd like to put linux on it, perhaps after giving it a real operating system, the machine despite it's age will run better than it ever did.
LOL! yes I sure do get the picture! The box I'm typing from right now is 5 years old, has a 6 gig hd, 64 mb and a 650 pentium 2! I paid over $2200 dollars for it back then!! It was a screamin' gaming machine in it's day! If I had a dime for every game of Team Fortress I played on this box...

Rather than put it in the closet, I've made a workstation out of it. It has a very minimal RH 9 install with no Gnome or KDE, just X, openssh and a failsafe screen! I ssh to my new box and let IT do all the computing! Works great, and I don't have to keep swaping files back and forth.
 
Old 10-30-2003, 12:46 PM   #58
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Hey, linux is awesome for older machines...

My daily favorite machine is my trusty gateway Solo 2500 laptop which is a pII-333Mhz and 192 Megs of ram and DVDrom. Everywhere I go, IT goes (and its starting to annoy my SO hehe).

When I first got it and put win98 on it, it was ok...but once I got Mandrake 9.1 on it...it rocked...its 9.1 that allowed me to just take the leap from dual boot to wiping the drive and going to Mdk 9.1 alone...

I have a pretty good athlon with Mdk 9.1, Deb3.0 and such...for gaming and all..but I spend 90% of my PC time on that laptop.
 
Old 10-31-2003, 05:42 AM   #59
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When I first got it and put win98 on it, it was ok...but once I got Mandrake 9.1 on it...it rocked...its 9.1 that allowed me to just take the leap from dual boot to wiping the drive and going to Mdk 9.1 alone...
if only i had a keyboard for that old win95 computer, boy the curiosity is killing me on that...

- perry
 
Old 10-31-2003, 07:18 AM   #60
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umm Dapper Dan others have concerns on upgrades.

sorry if I hijack this thread but the original poster may be interested.

I find a clean install (yep ms like) is the way to go. You are forced to backup your data files etc. But I believe you should not assume your configs for version A will work in B.
And gurus keep on telling us to backup in any case.

Sidetrack (2) It looks like initial reactions from those with laptops and power savings acpi etc may need to be careful going to 9.2
some other posts talk about using the kernel append for acpi=off

(3) When I do my first install on a new version I save the image with www.partimage.org and then do some configs and save the image and then get my updates and save etc
 
  


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