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Old 09-07-2006, 02:10 AM   #2566
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Terragen 2 when it finally emerges.
 
Old 09-11-2006, 08:53 AM   #2567
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Macromedia Flash & Adobe Photoshop
 
Old 09-11-2006, 11:44 AM   #2568
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I know there is gnucash, but quicken is the best.
 
Old 09-15-2006, 07:31 PM   #2569
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Macromedia shcokwave player! and macromedia flash player 10 (why do we have to be stuck with 7 when everyone elce ius using 10?)

(unless anyone knows where there is a shockwave port??
 
Old 09-16-2006, 06:14 AM   #2570
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and macromedia flash player 10 (why do we have to be stuck with 7 when everyone elce ius using 10?)
AFAIK the latest version on windoze is v9...

on a side note, it's not macromedia anymore, it's adobe...

anyhow, trust me, you aren't the only one wishing for this... but it looks like there's light at the end of the tunnel... allow me to share with you a small article on the matter:
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We won't be seeing it until early 2007, but Adobe is hard at work on bringing Flash Player 9 to Linux. In a series of recent blog postings, Adobe's lead engineer on the Flash Player team, Mike Melanson, has been keeping the Linux community up to date with Adobe's plans.

Adobe's main goal is to create a Flash Player 9 that is feature-comparable to its Windows and MacOS offerings. Another, according to a recent interview with Melanson, is to enable proper audio/video synchronization. In the last version of Flash that was available for Linux, Flash Player 7, this was a significant problem.
Complete Article

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Old 09-16-2006, 10:19 AM   #2571
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AFAIK the latest version on windoze is v9...

on a side note, it's not macromedia anymore, it's adobe...

anyhow, trust me, you aren't the only one wishing for this... but it looks like there's light at the end of the tunnel... allow me to share with you a small article on the matter: Complete Article
How long has Flash Player 9 been available for Windows? "Early 2007" (which is anyone's guess exactly when that will actually be) seems like a long time after the release for Windows. Come to think of it, it's even longer since version 8 was released for Windows, and the Linux version hasn't even been updated since then!

There's no mention anywhere in the article about future versions. I certainly hope they're not all going to lag behind the Windows release dates, but there's nothing to say they won't all be this late. They haven't exactly got a good record for releasing Linux versions on time.

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Old 09-16-2006, 10:28 AM   #2572
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How long has Flash Player 9 been available for Windows? "Early 2007" (which is anyone's guess exactly when that will actually be) seems like a long time after the release for Windows. It's rather worrying if all future Linux Flash Player releases are going to lag so far behind the Windows release dates.
AFAICT, this is like the first time they are taking the linux version so seriously - so i would imagine the first release would be the toughest - i don't think it's gonna be like this with future versions once they have a solid core to work on IMHO... of course maybe i'm just a little too optimistic - but who knows... these things will be clarified (hopefully) with the release announcement...

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Old 09-17-2006, 08:37 PM   #2573
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Goldmine

I would like to see Goldmine ported to Linux.

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Old 09-18-2006, 10:19 AM   #2574
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AFAICT, this is like the first time they are taking the linux version so seriously - so i would imagine the first release would be the toughest - i don't think it's gonna be like this with future versions once they have a solid core to work on
Flash Player 7 for Linux already exists, so this isn't a completely new program, it's just an updated version.

If Flash player for Linux were being created for the first time then one might expect it to take a little longer to create a new product than to update it in the future, but that's not the case. The fact that it's taking them so long to update the existing product this time is clearly a sign that they will probably take a long time to do the same thing (update the existing product) next time as well.
 
Old 09-18-2006, 11:38 AM   #2575
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Flash Player 7 for Linux already exists, so this isn't a completely new program, it's just an updated version.

If Flash player for Linux were being created for the first time then one might expect it to take a little longer to create a new product than to update it in the future, but that's not the case. The fact that it's taking them so long to update the existing product this time is clearly a sign that they will probably take a long time to do the same thing (update the existing product) next time as well.
could you please provide some support for your comments that the new flash version will be "just an update"?? if you could post some informative links about this it would be greatly appreciated... cuz it honestly doesn't sound like that to me - of course i could be mistaken...

yes, there has been a flash player version for linux available for a long time... however, without knowing specifics, i wouldn't speculate on whether or not the new version which is due next year is "just an update"... it could very well be a major code overhaul (or it might not)...

but regardless, the point is that it's the first time they are taking the linux version so seriously - and that means more work and energy is involved than if they were gonna put out a half-a**ed broken linux version like they did with v7...

like i said, i would expect this sorta thing to be clarified in the release announcement... BTW, did you notice that the latest round of patches for the flash player hit non-windoze platforms just as fast??

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Old 09-18-2006, 12:20 PM   #2576
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could you please provide some support for your comments that the new flash version will be "just an update"??
A previous version of the same product already exists, so this is not a new product. It is a new version or "update" of an existing product.

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yes, there has been a flash player version for linux available for a long time... however, without knowing specifics, i wouldn't speculate on whether or not the new version which is due next year is "just an update"... it could very well be a major code overhaul (or it might not)...
First of all, by definition any new version of an existing product is an update.

Secondly, whether or not this is a "major overhaul" doesn't change the fact that it is taking a lot longer this time to update the Linux version than the Windows version, and there's nothing to suggest that the same thing won't happen next time.
 
Old 09-18-2006, 12:52 PM   #2577
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A previous version of the same product already exists, so this is not a new product. It is a new version or "update" of an existing product.
wrong... i know this for a fact now because since you didn't post any links to back-up your argument, i went ahead and googled a bit for myself to see if this was indeed the case... everything i've found indicates that what is being done is a port of flash player 9... hence, it is NOT an update to an existing product...

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First of all, by definition any new version of an existing product is an update.

Secondly, whether or not this is a "major overhaul" doesn't change the fact that it is taking a lot longer this time to update the Linux version than the Windows version, and there's nothing to suggest that the same thing won't happen next time.
your logic is severely flawed IMHO - but since it's based on the idea that they are simply updating flash 7, it comes as no surprise... once you understand that the new linux version is a port, it makes perfect sense for it to take longer than what it's being ported from... add to that how ambitious the development team is being this time around (feature set on par with windoze) and the pieces fall right into place...

a windoze-equivalent flash player for linux will be a HUGE milestone for the linux desktop IMHO - i hope they take their time and get it right the first time around...

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Stewart/?p=96

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Old 09-19-2006, 09:42 AM   #2578
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all this is about flash player 9, but the real thing i wanted to see on linux is SHOCKWAVE player, (a nerw vesion of flash was just teh second thing) hopefully when they have finishe flash 9 then tehy will start shockwave!
 
Old 09-19-2006, 09:57 AM   #2579
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once you understand that the new linux version is a port, it makes perfect sense for it to take longer than what it's being ported from...
So basically they're not even bothering to update the product that already exists for Linux, and are starting again with a prot of the Windows version.

If they're going to throw all their work on the Linux version away every time there's a new version and start all over again with a port from the Windows version then it's highly likely that future versions for Linux will also be released late.

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Old 09-19-2006, 12:49 PM   #2580
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all this is about flash player 9, but the real thing i wanted to see on linux is SHOCKWAVE player, (a nerw vesion of flash was just teh second thing) hopefully when they have finishe flash 9 then tehy will start shockwave!
that would be awesome!!!

but i think it's a long-shot, though... =/

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So basically they're not even bothering to update the product that already exists for Linux, and are starting again with a prot of the Windows version.
the "product that already exists for Linux" was updated last week in case you didn't notice (critical security updates - if you haven't updated yet, make sure you do)... the new version will be almost COMPLETELY NEW - they can't magically create Flash 9 by applying a few patches to Flash 7's code - it just doesn't work that way... and starting from scratch would be WAY too much work... the port which they are doing is the most sane approach one could take IMHO... i for one think they're on the right track...

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If they're going to throw all their work on the Linux version away every time there's a new version and start all over again with a port from the Windows version then it's highly likely that future versions for Linux will also be released late.
as has been said here before, once the port is complete, then they can proceed to maintain and update it all they want... whether or not future releases are gonna lag behind the windows ones nobody knows cuz none of us is psychic, so it's pointless to debate about it... and BTW, they aren't "throwing all their work away" - there is indeed some code from v7 that is being used in v9... read the interview i posted or do some googling if you want more specifics...
 
  


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