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Old 04-22-2016, 06:16 PM   #16
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There are many other possibilities. We can only guess, as you've provided no useful information, other than 'it doesn't work'.
Don't you get his point? He's saying that because CUPS isn't working for him, it's obviously been intentionally sabotaged by Apple, obviously works for no-one, and obviously needs to be replaced. With the replacement to be written by someone other than himself.
 
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Old 04-22-2016, 06:18 PM   #17
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I will start a separate thread somewhere else, but this issue of CUPS not working, not only for me and not only on the level of end-user, needs to be addressed.
CentOS 6 has no problem printing via CUPS. 32-bit, 64-bit, doesn't matter, it works. And not an involved setup either. An older version of this server. But if you move to say, CentOS 7 you can kiss your printer goodbye, it's on CUPS 1.6 which is unusable for anyone but Apple computer owners.
Since Apple took over and is now driving the project, can't we come up with a fork that will be oriented towards working on Linux? At this day and age to be struggling with something as trivial as printing?
 
Old 04-22-2016, 06:20 PM   #18
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CentOS 7 you can kiss your printer goodbye, it's on CUPS 1.6 which is unusable for anyone but Apple computer owners.
I don't need to "confirm" or "check" anything to know that that's obviously not true.

If it's not working for you, be honest about that being the scope of the problem.

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Old 04-22-2016, 06:30 PM   #19
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It's never the "user's" fault!

I'm a VICTIM!

Sounds mighty paranoid.
 
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Old 04-22-2016, 06:32 PM   #20
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What's the Linux user share again? And why is it so low? And shrinking?
 
Old 04-22-2016, 06:34 PM   #21
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What's the Linux user share again? And why is it so low? And shrinking?
Because of FUD spread by people like you. This thread being an example

Last edited by dugan; 04-22-2016 at 06:42 PM. Reason: This originally said: Because trolls like you lie and spread FUD.
 
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Old 04-22-2016, 06:41 PM   #22
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Don't you get his point? He's saying that because CUPS isn't working for him, it's obviously been intentionally sabotaged by Apple, obviously works for no-one, and obviously needs to be replaced. With the replacement to be written by someone other than himself.
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Because trolls like you lie and spread FUD.
Yep, I have to agree with you on that.

FWIW, I'm using CUPS 1.7 and CUPS 2.0 on various systems, and both work fine for me from a client and server perspective.
 
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Now, v4r3l0v, were you actually planning to accomplish something with this thread, other than (I suppose) expressing frustration? Don't say "persuade someone else to replace CUPs for me", because that's obviously not something you could have realistically expected to accomplish.

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Old 04-22-2016, 06:51 PM   #24
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I can see YOUR frustration.
 
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I can see YOUR frustration.
I'm very tempted to uncharitably read this as "I meant for you to get frustrated". Would that be the correct reading?

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Old 04-22-2016, 06:59 PM   #26
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What's the Linux user share again? And why is it so low? And shrinking?
"Users" are OS-agnostic. duh.

End Transmission.

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Old 04-22-2016, 07:05 PM   #27
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Read my original post and then read your own first reply and then see who's trolling.
Linux fanboys have this twitch to kill the messenger whenever someone points to some ridiculous failure of Linux. And you made Sure you fit the bill.
CUPS doesn't have a serious problem only for those not interested in making it work.
 
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Read my original post and then read your own first reply and then see who's trolling.
My first reply is completely valid and bears repeating now. You started this thread to demand an alternative to CUPs. Bump it when you're ready to take personal responsibility for fulfilling that demand. Did you expect that someone would just read your thread and decide do it?

And yeah, OMG CUPS DOESN'T WORK FOR ANYONE BECAUSE APPLE MADE IT AND LINUX FANBOYS LIKE YOU ARE QUICK TO KILL THE MESSENGER THAT POINT OUT THESE RIDICULOUS FAILURES OF LINUX NOW REMIND ME HOW LOW LINUX'S MARKET SHARE IS AND WHY IS IT SHRINKING I CAN SEE YOUR FRUSTRATION is... something that could be reasonably construed as trolling.

If you are not trolling (and unfortunately I think that you're not trolling, just handling this the wrong way), I will ask you again if you actually wanted this thread to solve a problem. I would suggest that you give that a more thoughtful answer than "I can see your frustration" this time.

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Old 04-22-2016, 07:30 PM   #29
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At this day and age to be struggling with something as trivial as printing?
This is a misconception. Printing can be called essential or basic, but it is not at all trivial. Even printing from different software with a working driver on a working printer is not trivial. Getting along with it is already a small achievement, Giving support to unknowing persons is a pain. And there are so many interfaces: software -> driver -> hardwars. Lots of standards, manufacturers, models. Closed source stuff involved. Compatibility with different connectivity and platforms. Zero config architectures.
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Well obviously you are not. Why are you using it then? Maybe because it ships for free (good reason from my point of view for sure)? But that does't make a good basis for a large perception of entitlement.
 
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This is a misconception. Printing can be called essential or basic, but it is not at all trivial. Even printing from different software with a working driver on a working printer is not trivial. Getting along with it is already a small achievement, Giving support to unknowing persons is a pain. And there are so many interfaces: software -> driver -> hardwars. Lots of standards, manufacturers, models. Closed source stuff involved. Compatibility with different connectivity and platforms. Zero config architectures. Well obviously you are not. Why are you using it then? Maybe because it ships for free (good reason from my point of view for sure)? But that does't make a good basis for a large perception of entitlement.
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