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Old 01-02-2018, 03:49 PM   #16
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Sry, I duplicated replies

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Old 01-02-2018, 04:07 PM   #17
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I second David, if you want a pre-setup distro for audio/visual and you're new to Linux, start with Ubuntu Studio or there is even the less well known AVLinux (based on Debian).
https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=avlinux

Keep in mind, with experience any Linux distro can achieve this.
Ubuntu is loaded with bloatware and ads. Is it the same with Ubuntu Studio?

If you don't mind doing some research about performance phoronix.com is one of the best benchmarking sites

Well, Linux Mint features many propietary media software (Flash, Java etc. ) out-of-the-box, which in many other distros you will have to install later yourself - due to open-source restrictions. It is based on ubuntu. But since it was developed into an independent distro long time ago, it doesn't necessarilly have to resemble its sluggish predecessor.

If you don't mind implementing propietairy media features yourself ( e.g. Flash, Java ) with the help of online guides - I recommend openSuSe Leap. It's prons:
- newb-friendly - installer ( so is Mint's installer ) even sets up the firewall for you, plus it posseses nice feature called YaST ( tool similar to Windows'Settings Panel that allows you to tweak your system without using terminal )
- it's one of the best distros for running KDE in terms of RAM usage and performance ( KDE is a newb-friendly, highly costumizable Desktop Enviroment that resembles the Microsoft Windows' graphic enviroment, it used to be really heavy on resources in the past but the things changed in its latest implementation - here is the benchmark that shows boot time and RAM usage on KDE and GNOME on opensuse and ubuntu - 400 - 500 MB RAM on OpenSuSe Tumbleweed after first boot is quite neat, although Tumbleweed is a rolling release - not realeased in cycles like ubuntu or opensuse leap but constantly updated, Leap's RAM usage shouldn't differ much from Tumbleweed's)
- great stability,
- boot times similar to Fedora 27 with GNOME and better then Fedora 27 with KDE ( at least on my HP Probook 430 g4 laptop with SSD ) but a little bit slower than Ubuntu with GNOME ( but faster than UBUNTU with KDE ) so possibly slower than Linux Mint with its dedicated Cinnamon DE ( which is derivated from GNOME ). OpenSuSe is thought to be the distro with a little bit longer boot times than other Linux derivatives - like Arch or Debian. However short / long boot times don't determine distro's perfomance after booting, and since you want to install it on Desktop, not a laptop - it might not be that important for you.

Yeah, but if you don't want KDE - go with Linux Mint.

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Old 01-02-2018, 04:19 PM   #18
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how did the thread become about me, im not the OP?
 
Old 01-02-2018, 04:30 PM   #19
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how did the thread become about me, im not the OP?
Sry, my bad. I just wanted to ask if Ubuntu Studio is more optimized and less bloatware-ish than ordinary Ubuntu.

Afterwards I was replying to the post.

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Old 01-02-2018, 04:36 PM   #20
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One more piece of advice to the original poster and all beginners. Beware of the people here who always tell you the only solution is the distro they use themselves. Occasionally that's actually true, but some of them are fanboys who know that it must be perfect because they use it
 
Old 01-02-2018, 04:37 PM   #21
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No idea, never used it myself, just know that it is widely used. For new users bloatware is exaggerated. Use what works for you, bloatware concerns and customizing the OS comes years later, some like minimal, others like the kitchen sink.

Personally, I use Slackware/Salix so....but I am neither new, nor trying to use it for the OP's reasons.
 
Old 01-05-2018, 06:56 PM   #22
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[QUOTE=kuba67;5800745]
If you don't mind implementing propietairy media features yourself ( e.g. Flash, Java ) with the help of online guides - I recommend openSuSe Leap. It's prons:
[QUOTE]
I have forgot about cons:
- YAST is not that big deal breaker - almost everything you do through YAST you can also do through terminal with minimal googling skills
or through other graphical papplications,
- It has way smaller community than other big newb-friendly distros like Fedora, Linux Mint, Ubuntu. So expect way smaller community suport on forums if you decide to go with that one.
- Out-of-the-box it offers restricted audio and video suport - e.g. I had couldn't use streaming services ( either YouTube RED or twitch ) - luckilly I have found quickly a solution on official openSUSE forum, but that fact that it involved downloading packages from other distribution's repos ( Arch's ) can be quite alarming for you if you want good multimedia suport.
- Shutting down is way too long, everytime you install something ( Can be quite annoying if you want to perform a quick reboot ),

Well, since KXStudio claims to be compatible with Debian, than what do you guys think about installing simply newest Debian?
It's pros:
- Easy graphical installation proces,
- It's on of the most popular distros, what many devs take into consideration when creating software ( e.g. there is official Spotify app for Debian, whereas Fedora and Arch users must satisfy themselves with inofficial equivalents ).
- Big community support - since it's so popular,
- It's really light - boots faster than most of other distros - besides Arch and its derivatives ( but Arch Linux is a rolling release and way less stable - I wouldn't recommend it for beginners ), Solus OS and CLean Linux ( it's an Intel otpimized distro for power users )
- Rock-solid stabillity ( highest priority for Debian's devs )
- Lots of free ( open-source ) and non-free ( closed source ) software in official repositories ( more than Fedora, openSUSE and many other repositories )

However, even though it's newest release ( Debian Stretch ) has been released in July and is still fairly new, Debian has 3-4 years long release cycles, during which they are updated only with security fixes and occasional backports for more important packages. But since your setup is quite old anyway I wouldn't worry about that. You can always change the distro after a year or two if it becomes too obslete for you.

Some people claim Debian is not for desktops. I think because of its long release cycles ( currently since Debian Stretch is only several months old - you don't have to worry about that ) and because default Debian installer installs less software than e.g. Fedora or Ubuntu ( e.g. Fedora installs automatically HPLIP - FOSS automatic driver solution for HP printers ), but you will be able to install packages that you feel you will need throuch terminal or Synaptic so no worries.

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Old 01-08-2018, 02:45 PM   #23
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I've been doing some research on the teams that make various Linux distros. This data has been very helpful in determining who I might be interested in actually utilizing. For example, Ubuntu has sold some information about its users in the past. One of the reasons I'm coming to Linux is for increased privacy protection. Windows 10 steals user data all the time. I found this unacceptable.

After doing this research I feel rather confident that Debian would be a pretty solid choice. The huge dev team, the increased software options, the stability of "stable", the ability to utilize cutting edge software (which I doubt I will need) by using "unstable", and I have some light experience with it. Almost a decade ago I wanted to run an online game server for Ragnarok Online. I handled the entire server via a SSH Tunnel. Had to install and configure the entire system using online guides. But I finally got it working.

There was no GUI in that situation but I succeeded in managing that server via the command line. I'm betting Debian is much easier to handle with a GUI and I know that I can handle the command line stuff. I think starting with the latest stable release is where I will start. If software becomes an issue in a year or two, I can always switch to unstable and expand my Linux skills in the process. I was hoping to have a low system maintenance requirement, so I'm really hoping that stable will suffice for my needs.
 
Old 01-09-2018, 06:04 AM   #24
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One more piece of advice to the original poster and all beginners. Beware of the people here who always tell you the only solution is the distro they use themselves. Occasionally that's actually true, but some of them are fanboys who know that it must be perfect because they use it
I agree whole-heartedly with David on this one. I run Puppy Linux almost exclusively.....but I definitely wouldn't recommend it to absolute beginners. Pup has a rather steep learning curve, and is considered 'unusual', even by Linux standards.

For a beginner, I'd recommend Linux Mint.....and for what you want to do, LMMS would be well worth a look-see.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMMS

https://lmms.io/

It should be available via the package manager.


Mike.

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Old 01-09-2018, 09:21 AM   #25
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Talking tl;dr

And some change:just had that laying around...

have fun!
 
Old 01-10-2018, 09:13 AM   #26
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It is time to reformat my Windows 7 PC. Unavoidable at this point and I've decided to make the jump to Linux. I am extremely competent with Windows and can fix most technical problems with Google and self-direction. With Linux, I'm starting from scratch, but I'm ready to learn. I have a few basic questions, if you guys would be so kind.

PC Specs
CPU: Core 2 Duo E4300 @ 2.8GHz
Motherboard: MSI P6N 650i SLI Platinum
RAM: 3GB GeIL DDR2-800Mhz
Graphics: Nvidia GeForce 260 GTX
Sound: Onboard (Realtek)
Hard Drive: 500GB Samsung 7200RPM
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower 750W

What I've Done So Far With Linux
First I tried Edubuntu, just to get my feet wet. I had zero problems installing or interacting with it. However, I couldn't get my guitar and RockSmith cable to work. Linux detected it fine but I just couldn't get Jack configured correctly, despite visiting a few articles.

While reading I learned about AV Linux. Shortly after completing it's installation, I read that it is a one man project (admirable, but makes me nervous), considered more of a system snapshot than a bonafied distro, and I still couldn't get my guitar to work (without a doubt my issue due to a lack of Linux know-how). So I did a little research and found KXStudio, which was a distro.

Unfortunately it freezes non-stop, taking 14 attempts to install, and will now freeze within one minute of entering the desktop; if it makes it there at all. I consulted the official forums and was advised to seek out another distro (for system compatibility and stability) and to just use the KXStudio repositories for the distro's primary functionality.

What Will I Be Using It For
The primary use of my PC is for general desktop usage. Image editing, OpenOffice, web browsing, PDF reading. I'd now like to switch to Linux and also add on using my PC as a Digital Audio Workstation.

I don't really care what software it comes bundled with, just as long as it supports a wide range of software; including free and pay options. I'm far more concerned with stability, hardware compatibility, quality of project support (active development a must), how responsive the OS is to interact with (I need performance, not beauty), and that it will allow for a low latency connection to my guitar and other midi devices (i.e. AV Linux/KXStudio).

Questions
1. Other than the bundled software that comes with a specialized distribution (AV Linux, KXStudio), what about that distribution makes it better at music or latency than another?

2. What kinds of features should I be on the lookout for, in order to run the type of system I described above. Any information would greatly appreciated.
Regarding sound management, you should go with KDE desktop rather than Gnome or some other variants. KDE has rich sound management and source selection inbuilt into the GUI, and plasma widgets you can use to extend this control.

Since you are new to GNU/Linux, you probably need something which is reasonable to manage, newbie friendly. KDE is newbie friendly, but configurable to the least detail. You need a solid, easy to use distro with KDE.

Personally I can recommend:
https://mageia.org
I would make an informed choice between Mageia 5 or Mageia 6. Mageia 6 comes with KDE 5 while Mageia 5 comes with KDE 4. Personally I prefer KDE4, it is more mature, more function rich and more configurable to your own preferences. But KDE 5 is also not a bad choice.

Another distro who has a KDE variant and is a solid and easy to use distro is Linux Mint.
https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=251

https://manjaro.org/
Another very good KDE based distro, easy to use, rolling and quite solid.

All these 3 above have a rich selection of software ready to install. Pre-packed software.

www.debian.org
is always an alternative. KDE can easily be installed on it. It comes with the most pre-packaged software. Debian is slightly tainted these days due to the founder event that happened and the fact that they switched to SystemD.


Mageia is the choice here I would say. A very well designed distro that feels respondent and without major flaws. Hardware management is among the best in the class. User friendliness also. If you do not want to delve deep into terminal, scrips or code, then there are easy ways to manage your computer through control panels of various sorts. This distro does perhaps not have as large a selection of pre-packaged software as Debian or Fedora, but it sure beats Fedora in freeedom how to handle the system and installing what you want from source, how you want it. Debian has this freedom as well ofcourse, but always suffered from enourmous amounts of dependencies to be fullfilled, even for minor pieces of software. Mageia is just right. KDE is a must (best desktop for any OS).

I would recommend trying Mageia 5.

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Another distro who has a KDE variant and is a solid and easy to use distro is Linux Mint.
https://linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=251
Just a note that Linux Mint 18.3 will be the last version to have a KDE flavour. After that, there will naturally be ways to install KDE on Linux Mint but there will be no official support for the desktop environment.
 
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Just a note that Linux Mint 18.3 will be the last version to have a KDE flavour. After that, there will naturally be ways to install KDE on Linux Mint but there will be no official support for the desktop environment.
Dang, that's sad news. Ofcourse, one can install KDE on any distro, but, to have it as a standard package on the CD, supported by a distro, is ofcourse alot better. I mean, even Mageia offers a choice at the beginning, users CAN choose Gnome, but KDE is default selection and almost everyone use KDE on Mageia as far as I am conserned.

This is how it should be. Not even split into different CD's, but offering the desktop selection at the beginning. Multiple enironments if needed.

I tend to install Enlightenment desktop on my installations too. It's a snappy and interesting desktop environment. I certainly prefer it to Gnome or Unity or any of these things. I also happen to prefer Gnome 3 to Gnome 2. Uuuh... I know, people will comment it.
 
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Dang, that's sad news. Ofcourse, one can install KDE on any distro, but, to have it as a standard package on the CD, supported by a distro, is ofcourse alot better. I mean, even Mageia offers a choice at the beginning, users CAN choose Gnome, but KDE is default selection and almost everyone use KDE on Mageia as far as I am conserned.

This is how it should be. Not even split into different CD's, but offering the desktop selection at the beginning. Multiple enironments if needed.

I tend to install Enlightenment desktop on my installations too. It's a snappy and interesting desktop environment. I certainly prefer it to Gnome or Unity or any of these things. I also happen to prefer Gnome 3 to Gnome 2. Uuuh... I know, people will comment it.
Even though I'm a MATE user rather a KDE one, I find it quite sad too, but the Mint team decided that they wanted to concentrate on their GTK desktops i.e. Cinnamon, MATE and Xfce, including the development of cross-DE apps for all three. Such is life.

You prefer Gnome 3 to Gnome 2? Sacrilege! Of course, you're not the only one. Variety is the spice of life!
 
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www.debian.org
is always an alternative. KDE can easily be installed on it. It comes with the most pre-packaged software. Debian is slightly tainted these days due to the founder event that happened and the fact that they switched to SystemD.
Debian is actually what I've had my eye on. Having some computer issues at the moment with a failing hard drive, so swapping to Linux is slightly delayed while I get this sorted out. So I'm very curious about the statement you made. Can you explain the significance of "the founder event" and "SystemD" to me? I'm not yet familiar enough to understand why SystemD is bad. For reference, my previous statement about Debian is below:

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After doing this research I feel rather confident that Debian would be a pretty solid choice. The huge dev team, the increased software options, the stability of "stable", the ability to utilize cutting edge software (which I doubt I will need) by using "unstable", and I have some light experience with it. Almost a decade ago I wanted to run an online game server for Ragnarok Online. I handled the entire server via a SSH Tunnel. Had to install and configure the entire system using online guides. But I finally got it working.

There was no GUI in that situation but I succeeded in managing that server via the command line. I'm betting Debian is much easier to handle with a GUI and I know that I can handle the command line stuff. I think starting with the latest stable release is where I will start. If software becomes an issue in a year or two, I can always switch to unstable and expand my Linux skills in the process. I was hoping to have a low system maintenance requirement, so I'm really hoping that stable will suffice for my needs.
 
  


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