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05-04-2023, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by kernelhead
How small do you think my desktop is?
It's
15" x 4" x 13"
It's not one of those mini computers, but it is considered a small form factor.... I've got 2 hard drives in it & a dvd/rw
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Too small to fit any extra fans...
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05-05-2023, 09:34 AM
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This is what it looks like inside my computer.
I'm not buying the idea that it's too small to put extra fans in it yet.
Everyone, please look at this pic of the inside of my computer and tell me if extra fans could be put in there, even if I have to duck tape them in there.
And don't they make smaller, mini, sized fans that I could add some extra air?
Also, can users here tell me if there appears to be an extra "hook up" for the wire of an extra fan/mini fan ?
Also, if anyone could recommend a fan/mini fan on Amazon I would much appreciate it!
https://www.pchouse.ro/media/catalog...or_4_2_1_1.jpg
Last edited by kernelhead; 05-05-2023 at 10:13 AM.
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05-05-2023, 09:47 AM
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Looks like a typical little HP. Make sure the fins on the heat sink are dust free. Clean the fan blades so they are dust free.
Which way does that fan run? Pulling in or blowing out. If it pulls in then you can put an external fan blowing into the case, on the back of the machine, in front of the heat sink shroud opening.
I do that sometimes in warm weather, when the processor is running near 100%. And it will help some.
Also, that fan that fits on the heat sink. You could look for another one that has a more aggressive blade angle of attack. Beware though, the harder a fan blade is to turn the more current the motor will use. That fan connector on the mother board no doubt has a maximum current.
Easiest, perhaps best thing to do a that machine is to lower the cpu maximum frequency.
You also have a small power supply. Bet it's only 180-250W.
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05-05-2023, 10:08 AM
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These SFF computers are designed for office use over a few years only. They are not designed for high performance computing e.g. 3D simulation, finite element method calculations, aggressive build jobs, running VMs or games with intense graphics. If mainboard inside this computer complies to ATX or µATX standard think about transferring it into an ATX midi tower or big tower case.
If IGP is used insert a PCI x16 AMD/Ati graphics card and disable IGP completely. This reduces power consumption inside CPU case. Less heat must be dissipated from CPU case. CPU temperature should decrease.
Last edited by Arnulf; 05-05-2023 at 10:10 AM.
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05-05-2023, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Arnulf
These SFF computers are designed for office use over a few years only. They are not designed for high performance computing e.g. 3D simulation, finite element method calculations, aggressive build jobs, running VMs or games with intense graphics. If mainboard inside this computer complies to ATX or µATX standard think about transferring it into an ATX midi tower or big tower case.
If IGP is used insert a PCI x16 AMD/Ati graphics card and disable IGP completely. This reduces power consumption inside CPU case. Less heat must be dissipated from CPU case. CPU temperature should decrease.
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What is IGP (my playstation 2 emulator)?
I"m contemplating if I should buy the graphics card you suggest or just get a fan/mini fan, since the only time I'll get these temperatures is when occasionally emulating the Playstation 2
Also, see attachments and tell me if a fan/mini fan can be connected. Or would a different fan, maybe with coolant, be suggested and is cost minded.
Last edited by kernelhead; 05-05-2023 at 11:04 AM.
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05-05-2023, 11:12 AM
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05-05-2023, 11:54 AM
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IGP: Your "Intel Core i5-4570" has an integrated "Intel HD 4600" GPU which produces additional heat inside CPU case if it's in use.
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Originally Posted by kernelhead
Also, see attachments and tell me if a fan/mini fan can be connected. Or would a different fan, maybe with coolant, be suggested and is cost minded.
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Your attachmends don't show any 3-pole or 4-pole fan connector. You can connect fans to 4-pole Molex connectors of PSU with an adapter cable. Unfortunately, your SFF computer case doens't have any apertures for additional fans. This case is too small to provide such apertures.
Last edited by Arnulf; 05-05-2023 at 12:00 PM.
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05-05-2023, 12:40 PM
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Can anyone think of any reason this fan wouldn't work? I will also buy an extra wire that extends my current fan being able to be hooked up too.
Before I order the expansion wire, how many pins does the wire need to hook into?
https://www.amazon.com/Kingwin-CF-08...7&sr=8-19&th=1
Last edited by kernelhead; 05-05-2023 at 12:42 PM.
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05-05-2023, 01:29 PM
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05-08-2023, 09:01 AM
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05-09-2023, 05:35 AM
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I receive my fan today - we will see
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05-09-2023, 12:46 PM
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I run battle.net games (wow, starcraft2) and my cpu never breaks 65c. 80's are high. I used to have that but then I found airflow was the problem. Stock cpu fan + badly designed case = on fire.
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05-10-2023, 06:29 PM
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These SFF computers are designed for office use over a few years only. They are not designed for high performance computing e.g. 3D simulation, finite element method calculations, aggressive build jobs, running VMs or games with intense graphics. If mainboard inside this computer complies to ATX or µATX standard think about transferring it into an ATX midi tower or big tower case.
If IGP is used insert a PCI x16 AMD/Ati graphics card and disable IGP completely. This reduces power consumption inside CPU case. Less heat must be dissipated from CPU case. CPU temperature should decrease.
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The extra fan did nothing, so I'm going with your advice.
I hope this one works for my sff desktop:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006MBP7R2...hk_typ_imgToDp
Last edited by kernelhead; 05-10-2023 at 06:33 PM.
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05-11-2023, 02:12 AM
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Sorry, but you're simply wasting money...
The heat generated by the workload put on your system needs to directed out of the cabinet. There's no amount of inside passive cooling that can help you with that...
As said before, go to your recycling center, pick up a small midi tower cabinet for free, move your sff part to it, add a fan in front panel for pushing air in and a fan on the back panel sucking air out and - Voila!  Never any heat issues again!
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05-11-2023, 02:51 AM
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Registered: Jul 2016
Location: USA
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My computer has a small fan that I decided to point in the computer. I decided to create a positive airflow with external ac infinity fans on max and point them at the radiator for my CPU's water cooling. I'm not sure if you can do that with your CPU setup. Mine is kind of setup like this one at the beginning of the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38ejhV2-bGw
I suggest that you at least put new thermal paste on the CPU with ARCTIC MX-4 if you haven't done that lately. My external fans are plugged into the wall (not usb powered) and one is behind the other, pushing air into the back vent. They are right there behind it as close as I can get them. The room needs to be kept cool.
https://www.amazon.com/AC-Infinity-M...3789773&sr=8-3
Last edited by RadicalDreamer; 05-11-2023 at 02:59 AM.
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