Good point!

/me hands a golden lemon to programmershous for proving that it's possible to type faster than one thinks


DUH - I suppose that's why no distro has "10 models"
on the market?



Cheers,
Tink

Your username name and website title suggest that you believe
that you're a programmer ... I would have thought that you would
understand that there's an actual difference in thinking about
a package management system, or writing a boot script and
writing device drivers or round-robin process schedulers in C.

What on earth makes you think that if there's only one distro
people who can write scripts in bash or perl or python will
magically turn to driver development in C or assembler?



Cheers,
Tink

What are you talking about? Are you suggesting that they'd be somehow helping the GNU/Linux project more if they were working on these main distros? I can't see where building and maintaining my own distro would be detrimental to the GNU/Linux project - if people working on other distros like what I have done, they can use my code for their distro.
Once again, you're missing the point. Are you understanding any of what we're telling you? As was explained previously, THERE IS NO ACCURATE SOURCE TO GET THIS INFO FROM. And that's why your stupid little "top-ten list of programmershous's favorites to focus on" is flawed.
Who's "most of the people?" It appears as though you left my (and many others') distro of choice, Slackware, out of the list at first. I did try your other 3 of the 4 "big families" you listed (I've also tried Mandrakelinux, Linux-Mandrake (as it was then called), Gentoo, Knoppix, Fedora Core, Red Hat, Debian, Icepack Linux, and another one. . . i think it was called "Storm Linux" or "Stormix". . . can't remember) and I've found that Slackware suits me best. I don't do anything unusual with my PC - it's just a normal desktop Linux PC with my games, email, MP3s and stuff. The other ones just didn't suit my needs - the nVidia drivers had problems in FC, and both RH and FC had software installed to actually block me from listening to MP3's! Got fed up with Mandrakelinux because it seems like they're sorta starting to neglect their nonpaid/freeware users - I liked them much better as Linux-Mandrake, but those days are over, I guess. Anyways, the idea of making a distro for "most people" is stupid because it guarantees to leave people out, and it doesn't solve much because then you would have these big, main distros that suit everyone's needs OK but not perfectly and a few, small distros that suit a few people's needs perfectly. So what you'd get is MOST people looking for a distro that suits their needs perfectly but, guess what, now that most of the developers who made the distros that WOULD'VE suited their needs perfectly have all switched to one of the distros on your "top-ten" so that distro hasn't been touched for years. It would have an adverse effect on the Linux community.
But I thought you said that "Running Linux from CD is just a toy" and that "A real usable Linux runs from a hard disk". Isn't the main benefit of Knoppix the fact that it runs off a CD? I don't think that Debian could even fit on 2 CD's. And if it could, who does that benefit, losing all of those tools?
What's that got to do with anything? Linux isn't a company.
Ooh, so much simpler - now, you have to check dependencies to install a Slack package, but in the future, you'll be able to. . . check an RPM for dependencies? What does that improve?
First of all, "user-friendly" depends on who's the user. I don't know why, but some people think that if it doesn't look pretty, it's not "user-friendly". I think I'll make my own distro for these people called "ProgrammersHous-Linux" and it'll show them a big picture of my middle finger as it launches pkgtool (Not really - j/k). Seriously, though - they're programmers, not graphics artists. You're not going to get some beautiful masterpiece.
To me, Slack is VERY user-friendly and easy to use. Pkgtool might not look as pretty as Mandrake Control Center, but it's still easy to use.
Also, so what if it's not made for newbies? Haven't you ever heard the saying that "if you make a program such that even an idiot can use it, then only an idiot will use it"? And so what if it's old? It's still one of the best. And I bet YOU'RE older than Slackware - let's leave YOU out of the "top-ten".
If by "winning" you mean that everyone has to start using Linux and Linux has to destroy MS, then I disagree for reasons that I've already said.
See, there you go again. . . I told you before that ANY OS CAN BE HARD AT FIRST! EVEN WINDOWS AND LINUX! If you want people to switch, then you'll have to teach them to use Linux - either teach them yourself or get them one of those "Linux for Dummies" books or something. I've seen them at the library. Next time I go I think I'm gonna check out this book I saw about Linux programming. That way, I can contribute to the community and not be like you and sit here and suggest things - if I wanna see something on Linux, I'll make it myself.
No, you're using it as an OS, only everything gets unloaded when you reboot, unless you save it to a mounted HD. You can still run games and stuff - Knoppix has a tool that lets you install the nVidia driver and Tux Racer. And, you can still do word processing and stuff - just you have to remember to mount your HD before you can save it. True, you still can't get the full power of a Linux distro that goes on your HD, but you can get most of it.
What are you trying to get at? RPM is declared the standard. Of course there are still others that are used because not everyone likes RPMs and not everyone has good luck with them. Most distros, I believe (at least, most of the ones in your "top-ten"), do have the tools to install them, though.
And tgz isn't a binary package - it's a compressed file format, like zip or tar or something. Slackware does use them, but it looks for some sort of instruction file in the compressed file. You can look at tgz files with Ark if you're curious about what's in them.
the files system: different people prefer different file systems - some prefer to stick with ext2, some prefer ReiserFS, ext3 or some other FS. So? There's different filesystems in Windows, too, you know - FAT12 for floppy disks, and FAT16, FAT32, and NTFS for HDs. And MS is coming out with that new WinFS. So what? The FS doesn't affect other software, so what does it matter if I prefer ext3 and you like to stick with ext2?
the installation system: so what if they're not all the same? Windows programs use different installers, too - some use MSI, some use InstallShield, and some use their own homegrown install system. What's it matter?
the browser: in case you didn't know, all Windows systems have a standard browser. I wouldn't exactly see IE as a benefit, though.
the desktop environment, the window manager, the gui - so? I don't like GNOME. I use KDE. I can still use programs written for GNOME, though, so what's it matter?
the licence (they dont use all GPL) - so? They still work. And no one is forcing you to use it - if you don't like the license, then don't use the distro.
That's BS. Flat-out BS. That's how reporters reporting on Linux want you to think everything is working. It's not working that way.
No it isn't. The EU just ruled against MS, and I believe there's still some state-level lawsuits going on against MS here in the US. Also, people in the US are starting to hear more and more about Linux - even if they don't use it, they at least know what it is, which is a big improvement from the way things were 3-4 years ago. Many are already at least somewhat against MS. Plus, there's no law in the US or, so far, in the EU against open-source. Linux is really starting to take off in third-world countries, too.
And what if Windows does become better than Linux? There was a time when Windows was considered the best - nobody died from it. In fact, like I said in my previous postings, I think that if MS tried really hard to become better than Linux, we'd all benefit - this isn't about dumping MS, it's about using the OS that you feel is the best.
I wasn't joking. Okay, I might have been exaggerating a bit - Windows is better now. But I really did like Program Manager better than Windows' newer GUI - why couldn't they keep PM as a second option? I also liked the games that were included - not only did they have Solitaire, they had SkiFree, Pipe Dream, Pyramids, Golf, FreeCell. . . and I think there's a few others I'm forgetting.
Did you think about this? We were ALL newbies once and, at least back when I was a newbie, there weren't many forums like this for help - and the ones that there were didn't have many users to help you and, therefore, weren't a lot of help. But we pulled through and now realize that, while Linux can be hard to get used to, it's worth it.
Something's wrong with them. They probably shouldn't be using a PC. . . who taught them to in the first place? Buy them some books about PC's, for God's sake. When I showed Linux to one of my friends (who is NOT a geek) he was amazed at how easy it was to use despite everyone talking about Linux being so "non-user-friendly".
YES - THE COMMENT I'VE BEEN WAITING TO READ! Please do - that's part of what makes Linux work as well as it does. You won't get very far just telling us about your problems with Linux if we don't see them as problems. That's why there are so many different branches from different distros - someone doesn't like something about their favorite distro so they branch off and make their own. I don't agree with your thinking, but if I see anything from your distro I like, I can use it in my distro (well, I could if I had one, anyways).
I have to warn you, though - Linux-Mandrake originally set out to do the same thing - be the easiest Linux distro to use and be easy for newbies to learn.
I certainly hope you realize that this quote contradicts itself. Like I said before, what's a good idea for some purposes might not be a good idea for other purposes. Removing X might be a good idea if you're going to setup a server, but not if you're setting up a computer for games.
Firstly, NO piece of software is bug-free. Secondly, this wasn't a bug or glitch - the update tool was doing exactly what it was supposed to - but I didn't know I was supposed to blacklist ALSA.
If all these developers focus on your "top-ten", then who's going to be able to work on the other distros? You might not be TRYING to get rid of them, but that's what you'd be doing.
Yes, you can, just about. And, yes, you can write to your HD if you use the "mount" command. And, for a person who wants to be able to take Linux with them without taking a laptop - carrying a LiveCD and their USB flash drive - nothing beats a LiveCD.

They can still continue their distros . May aim is not to stop any distros, but to focuse on the best ones. That's different.

It depends if your distro follow standards, or if you reinvent the wheel like a new package etc.

People are free to choose their distro. I am not telling to stop distros, but to focuse on the mains, that's different.

So you want to keep linux complicated ? It is also possible to make a distro which can be used by geeks and by idiots ?

LOL in their web page : Mandriva Linux (formerly Mandrakelinux) : the most friendly Linux operating system for both servers and desktop .

Why ? If your computer has enough ressources, you can use X too for a server. Or are you talking about security issues ?

For the rest I agree .

Some rebuttals from the wonderful Linux != Windows page (Which the troll might benefit from reading. If he were genuine, instead of a troll)
"Linux is actually blissfully easy to use. Genuinely. It is really easy to use. The reason it isn't perceived this way? Because the term "ease of use" has been so badly distorted. In common usage, "easy to use" now means "easy to do something without knowing beforehand how to do it". But that's not really "easy to use", is it? That's "easy to figure out". It's like the difference between:

- a safe with a notice above it saying "You unlock this safe by turning the dial to 32 then 64 then 18 then 9, then lift the handle up"

and

- a car that can be unlocked by pressing the remote control "unlock" button.
It's far easier to unlock the car, right? One button instead of numerous dial-turns. However, it's easier for somebody who doesn't know how to unlock either to get the safe open than the car: the safe has clear instructions in place, while the car just has buttons that aren't even attached to the car."

"The Linux community is not trying to provide the average Windows user with a replacement OS. The goal of Linux is not "Linux on every desktop".
Really. It honestly isn't. (TORVALDS: I don't care if Linux holds 90 percent of the market. )"

I have read it, quite long .
Saying that Linux is not Windows is false in the way they are both Operating Systems. So one can always compare 2 OS even if their goal is different.
Look at this :
http://www.michaelhorowitz.com/Linux.vs.Windows.html
First, Linux is much better coded than MS and is of better quality.
Then user-friendly doesnt mean ugly guis to me. For me it would be : clearer, simpler, efficienter, securer etc.
So my idea is a distro which complies all this. OpenBSD has almost achieved that.

About Linus : ok he did his kernel. But the kernel is not all the OS, but just a piece.
So Linus may be expert about kernels, but his opinion about GNU/Linux distros doesnt have the same value. I even wonder if he uses a Linux distro and which one ? .
And his kernel is not the best one because HURD is trying to be better, and I think it will be.

except of course openbsd isn't a linux distro, so i guess no linux distro has reached that plateau for you yet...

Quote:

I even wonder if he uses a Linux distro and which one ?

considering that he has an apple dual-g5, i think he's probably using Yellow Dog Linux, but i'm not sure... anybody??

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And his kernel is not the best one because HURD is trying to be better, and I think it will be.

just curious: how old are you?? eleven??

Really out of subject . I am 30. Do you have a dog or a cat ? .

Last I heard, Linus was a SUSE man. He may have changed since going to the Mac tho. . .

Guys I think it's time to stop wasting your time on this thread. I am a newbie and even to me it's apparent this thread is started by a troll.

Programmershous really with your postings it doesn't look like you are even a serious Linux user let alone advanced enough to create a distro of your own. Every one of your posting shouts out your ignorance regarding the topics you raise and when someone helpfully gives you some valid information you complete disregard it and carry on with your ranting.

Seriously I think you are not even interested in the question you have posted. It looks like your primary purpose to post here ( evident from your contradictory threads) is to irritate the other guys and instigate a response from them.

Please stop and go do something more constructive.

Suggestion - Start with Linux for dummies.

I am working on a new distro, any help is welcomed .

Well, since you want to start a new distro, I say go for stability. Start with using the 2.2 or 2.4 kernel. They are old enough to be rock solid.

Thanks, maybe we need a new forum to discuss it and not overload this one ? Or maybe talk in emails ?
I am searching to create a forum to make all good ideas together ...

I'm closing this, it's a very very long winded way of saying that you are making your own distro.