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Old 08-20-2019, 11:11 AM   #16
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I don't think so. See I had built three LFS boxes by 2010. The last one was beautiful and rock solid. The first time I wanted to install a foreign binary package ... for some cloud my system irretrivably broke. An unsuccessful shot at new box with LFS brought me this. And boy ... it's been royal pain in the neck but so ... satisfying.
Trust me ... or better yet try it.
 
Old 08-20-2019, 11:12 AM   #17
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My goal is to start a new culture to Linux world. See I am a scientist and as such concerned with fundamental questions. In my 30 years with Linux nobody ever posed these questions.
Because they're nebulous, vague, and pointless.
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And I am fed with that. It is not my goal to insult anybody but what bothers me is that developers NEVER answer the questions asked on the forums. NEVER! And the same questions just keep on resurfacing. I would like to motivate the Linux users to move away from that. Those who are able to answer my questions will NEVER again ask the questions of failed builds and boots. They will learn to smoothly build from scratch rock solid boxes. As for LFS ... as I said I doubt it works and it certainly is not 64-bit build. I will be happy to get just a few girls and guys on board for this. For starters.
You certainly don't sound like a scientist, since they typically know what they're talking about. And you OBVIOUSLY don't have 30 years with Linux...since it was invented 28 years ago, and was VERY hard to come by in the early days. So either you were a kernel/module/software developer who has a very shaky grasp of how Linux works, or you're lying.
LFS isn't hard and is well documented. As hazel said, you want a 64 bit LFS system? Then BUILD IT ON A 64 BIT BOX. Same for any other CPU architecture. Again, chroot'ing isn't difficult, and you seem hung up on an 'empty directory', for some reason. What's the point?

As a 'scientist' with 30 years of experience in something less than 30 years old, you must know that any user environment needs user-definition files. Can the entire login process be redone to look at system directories? Sure...and if you want that, then go do it. You can also chroot into an empty directory, and have the necessary files copied over upon user creation/login. Again, been done. So back to "what's your point, spammer??"

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I don't think so. See I had built three LFS boxes by 2010. The last one was beautiful and rock solid. The first time I wanted to install a foreign binary package ... for some cloud my system irretrivably broke. An unsuccessful shot at new box with LFS brought me this. And boy ... it's been royal pain in the neck but so ... satisfying. Trust me ... or better yet try it.
Try what? Sounds like you did nothing but break your system by not doing something correctly. What does "some cloud my system" even mean? And if you've built 3 LFS systems, it is inconceivable that you don't KNOW how it works, how to fix it, and lack the ability to build another one. S

Stop where you are; it is abundantly clear you don't know what you're talking about.

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Old 08-20-2019, 11:19 AM   #18
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I just gave it a look. That's not what I am talking about. So many packages before chrooting. For somebody who just want a box it is OK. But gained knowledge is naught, zilch. Just configure, make && make install. Again getting to answers to my questions will teach you plenty. So if you want do it do it. Whichever you choose to do is fine with me.
I have not expected many people would take up to the task but if it is just one ... good start.

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Old 08-20-2019, 11:23 AM   #19
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I just gave it a look.
gave what a look?
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That's not what I am talking about.
What are you talking about?

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Old 08-20-2019, 11:26 AM   #20
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Don't feed the troll!
 
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Old 08-20-2019, 11:28 AM   #21
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From my side: if you want to start a new culture to the linux world you need to write a book or create a blog/site (whatever) and publish it to the linux community. If that was good enough that will definitely change the culture (exactly the way you like it). But I have no idea how can it be done by answering those questions.
 
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Old 08-20-2019, 11:29 AM   #22
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You are going tangentially avoiding the subject. Anyhow ... my first computer was COMMODORE 64 followed with years of experience on UNIX mainframes and different desktops. As for Linux I started with brand new 90HZ cpu in 1992 and went on with the developments until now. So let' not bother with this kind of talk any longer. On the topic I've said more than enough and I am done with it until somebody comes along with a meaningful question or answer.
 
Old 08-20-2019, 11:35 AM   #23
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Well ... along with building the boxes I am writing the book. It will be published when it is ready. On my site, the name of which you do not like to be mentioned.
Pan64 ... I like your last post. The answer is this ... as I said, LFS had not done it for me. And for ages I had cross-compiling on my mind.That because I did not like LFS's interfering with gcc sources. And this time I did not want a nanny to guide me through the process. And boy ... have I
gotten surprised. It is everything but easy. First trouble with the mainstream boxes ... try to use them, Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, Trisquel, CentOS,
ElementaryOS ... just not up to hosting a build. I know why ... and wouldn't bother with their idiosyncrasies. I am just about to finish my core system. And trust me I have learned a lot. Enough for a booklet aimed at a real newbie. I will finish it with great satisfaction,

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Old 08-20-2019, 11:58 AM   #24
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You are going tangentially avoiding the subject.
No, we're asking you questions which you can't/won't answer.
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Anyhow ... my first computer was COMMODORE 64 followed with years of experience on UNIX mainframes and different desktops. As for Linux I started with brand new 90HZ cpu in 1992 and went on with the developments until now. So let' not bother with this kind of talk any longer. On the topic I've said more than enough and I am done with it until somebody comes along with a meaningful question or answer.
Right..sure you did. 1992, was it? You mean, THREE YEARS BEFORE the 1.0 kernel was released??? Again, surprising that someone with such knowledge can't seem to manage to install a package, or has trouble understanding how LFS works.
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Well ... along with building the boxes I am writing the book. It will be published when it is ready. On my site, the name of which you do not like to be mentioned.
Because this entire thread is nothing but you trying to advertise your spam-site with zero content.
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Pan64 ... I like your last post. The answer is this ... as I said, LFS had not done it for me. And for ages I had cross-compiling on my mind.That because I did not like LFS's interfering with gcc sources.
Again, what do you even mean by that?? Cross-compiling is yet another thing that's well documented and done all the time, and easily understood...especially by a 'scientist' with your experience.
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And this time I did not want a nanny to guide me through the process. And boy ... have I gotten surprised. It is everything but easy. First trouble with the mainstream boxes... try to use them, Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, Trisquel, CentOS, ElementaryOS ... just not up to hosting a build.
What 'mainstream boxes'??? You can build LFS on anything from a $10 RPI to a huge Xeon box. They are all 'up to hosting a build'.
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I know why ... and wouldn't bother with their idiosyncrasies. I am just about to finish my core system. And trust me I have learned a lot. Enough for a booklet aimed at a real newbie. I will finish it with great satisfaction,
I'm sure it'll be groundbreaking...really...

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Old 08-20-2019, 12:15 PM   #25
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Wait and see.

But as guru you surely know the answers. With i5 cpu and 16GB RAM it takes 10min to get the chroot environment I am asking you to create.
I an positive you got i9 so it is 5min. Give it a shot.

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Old 08-20-2019, 12:44 PM   #26
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Enough for a booklet aimed at a real newbie. I will finish it with great satisfaction,
Can't wait
 
Old 08-20-2019, 12:45 PM   #27
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Wait and see.
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But as guru you surely know the answers. With i5 cpu and 16GB RAM it takes 10min to get the chroot environment I am asking you to create. I an positive you got i9 so it is 5min. Give it a shot.
Nope; don't need to or want to. I don't work for you, and sure have zero motivation to bother with this pointless task. If YOU want this done, then GET TO WORK AND DO IT. A 'scientist' with 30 years experience can do it in 15 seconds, I'm sure. So why haven't you? Aren't you writing a book on the subject? Don't you have the experience needed to do it??

Or is this a homework question because you have zero idea about what chrooting is, how to do it, or much about Linux in general, and you're thinking we'll provide you the answers?
 
Old 08-20-2019, 12:48 PM   #28
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Fine with me. Stay in the world where you consider yourself a guru. But do ask the questions yourself.

Best regards
 
Old 08-20-2019, 12:50 PM   #29
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It's too elaborate for a homework question. My impression is he's trying to sell something.
 
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It's too elaborate for a homework question. My impression is he's trying to sell something.
I'm going with that as well, that's also probably why there were links to a page at first.
 
  


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