A few days ago I 'installed" LM 19.1 on a PNY 16Gb(2.0) pendrive. Have run into a few snags that I've not been able to correct. First; there seems to be an awful lot of lagging and, to a lesser degree, freezing both on start up and getting browser and subsequent sites.In accordance with that, D/l's and pkg. installs also "lag"/freeze. Second; in task bar, time/date is so far to the right it cannot be seen. Tried multiple times to move it over to the left, but each time failed and it went right back where it was.So, need to move time/date to the left on the task bar...permanently....with that, I cannot "configure" time/date. Security updates/updates from the task do not install? Lastly(???), I use Opera browser...in doing so, I needed a plash player. Opera "claims to have it installed(?) but the site I use (jumble.com and msngames.com)keep requesting the install od Abobe flash player.I tried to install "pepper flash" in LM 19.1, but sites keep requesting "install Adobe flashplayer"? I'm sure these are just minor bugs, but I sure would like to know how to correct them. Oh, BTW, searched here, forums.LinuxMint and BING prior to coming here.Anyone got some thoughts on what i need to do?
THANX:
Rick

When you say "installed", did you actually do an install to a thumb drive or is it just running live from an image written to the thumb drive? If it's running live, that explains the issue with persistence of your settings. Also, the cinnamon version is very graphically intensive, not sure if that's the version you are running - it requires 3d acceleration to draw the desktop or else runs in a veeeerrrryyy slow software render mode. That would explain the lag.

RE: sevendogsbsd;

Thanks for replying. Ok, when I say "installed" I mean I installed the LM 19.1 onto a pendrive. No, it's not "running live" from an .iso image.and I should have mentioned I'm running XFCE...apologies! Today when I used the O.S., it took over a minute for it to 'load". It took the browser about the same time to load. Also today, I see 'kernel updates". Hmm...well I'd better run them (I guess). I was hoping that the more I used the system, the more it would improve, but I'm not sure that's happening.I really don't think the slowness and freezing are due to a 2.0 speed pendrive, but if you have a different opinion, please state so and WHY. (TY) I've read that puppy Linux is more suited to a pendrive, but I really don't understand why...their reasoning it that's it "less program intensive", but that doesn't make sense to me because I use XFCE which is already the "smallest" O.S. size to begin with.(1.8Gb)Curious...am I to guess your using BSD O.S? Just wondered about it for I've "checked it out"/read up on it and was wondering your thoughts on it.. Now, back to the lagging/freezing issues. Any thoughts/ideas on what may be causing it? Anyone?

THANX

addendum: started running 'updates", so far it's been 15 mins. Really, it shouldn't take this long.(?) And I forgot this item. I've tried, several times, to move the time/date to the left on the task bar and each time, it reverts right back to where it was. Reason I need to move to the left is that it's soooo far to the right, it can't be read/seen visually.In "properties" it gives "move" icon, but it doesn't work for whatever reason. Now, it's been 20+ minutes on "updates" and it's only showing one quarter of the way finished???

Well, I want to say the lag is due to the read and write speed of the thumbdrive media, plus the bus speed of the USB bus. The SATA bus speed using even a spinning hard drive is much faster. For example:

USB 2.0 = 480 Mbit/s
SATA 1.0 is 1.5 Gbit/s

We are now on SATA 3.x which is 6GBit/s. So even the slowest spinning hard drive from 16 years ago is 3 times faster than a USB 2 thumbdrive.

I am not a hardware guru but that is my guess.

Concerning Puppy Linux, the requirements making it "less intensive" are not because of its size, but because of its demands on the computer in terms of CPU and memory. Puppy Linux uses (if I am not mistaken) JWM as a window manager, which is much much lighter than Xfce4, plus Puppy purposely sets up their OS to be as light as possible in terms of required resources (running services, etc). Mint does not do this because they expect the OS to run on either a laptop or PC hard drive.

Again, I have never ran Linux from a pendrive so my logic here is just me thinking out loud.

As for FreeBSD, I have dabbled in it on and off with it for several years but never fully committed to switching to it until about 6 months ago. I have been using Linux as my desktop for 20+ years and like FreeBSD better. It was not an easy transition because they are radically different creatures but I am happier so that's what matters

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Puppy is more suited to run from a pendrive because it is not installed to it in the traditional sense - it's a live medium with persistence. The OS is loaded into RAM, that makes it fast even on old machines.
This is possible to achieve for other distros also.
Instructions for Ubuntu.

RE to EVERYONE:

To those who've replied...THANK YOU. Ahm...every since I "moved on" from LM 17.3, I've had problems with the Linux distros working properly from a pendrive. As for PuppyLinux, I've tried that in the past and had even more problems!(??) I looked back over my posts from a few years ago and observed the LM 18 series and now LM 19 series are when the lagging (and other problems) started showing up. That is why I went from "live" to a full install(on USB stick) with LM19.1. Is it just that the past 2 series of LM O.S's are just not suited for pendrives? I find that a bit difficult to except(???), don't you? PuppyLinux, LinuxLite, and AntiX shouldrun from a pendrive with minimal lagging...at best. (IMO) As I do expect a very small bit of lagging, due to processing from drive to RAM, I don't feel it should be at/to the level I'm experiencing. Let me ask, is there anyone here running a recent Linux distro via pendrive? I'd love to hear from you and what, if any, difficulties your experiencing. To everyone else, THANX for your input. I've said this in past posts "I feel the problems I'm experiencing are minor and easily remedied"...but that said I also realize "finding" the cause of the problems can be/are a major endeavor...most of the time. Hope someone here can figure it out. If you've discovered I've done something incorrect, please, by all means, let me know. I really want to get this O.S. working properly/with the minimum(meaning none) of "problems".

THANX

Alright: Let's head this in a direction that may solve my problems. LinuxStore supplies/sells Linux distros "on a stick". So, they have had to do something "different" to those distro's in order for them to run "properly". OK, now, what do they incorporate into their distros-on-a-pendrive that I'm not getting when I D/l a distro and run "live"(or even a full install) from a pendrive? Hope you understand what I just said for I cannot explain it any other way.

As far as I can see, those Linux Store pen drives only contain the ISO of the relevant distro, which can be used to install the distro on a computer system and/or run the distro live from the pen drive (but not necessarily to have persistence). That's if you are referring to http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/linux-...#buy-linux-usb

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They probably just follow the instructions, honestly. Pretty much every distro has instructions or documentation on running from USB in 'live' mode, including Mint 19.1:
https://linuxmint-installation-guide...highlight=live

To address this:
USB is *ALWAYS* going to be slower than HDD/SSD, and the Mint website even tells you this. Doesn't matter how much the RAM footprint is, writing to USB is slow, so either do a full installation, or live with USB speeds.
The 'cause' is you're running from USB, and expecting the device to work faster than it was designed to.

Your task bar issues are probably caused because you've got nowhere to write desktop settings to. Mint 19.1 runs 'live' to give folks a chance to check out the hardware, and make sure it all works. Again, their website covers this.

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Re: HYDRURGA

Please check here; https://www.osdisc.com/products/linu...stence/desktop. It shows "live" and of course, install. Also w/ persistence which is one of the headaches I incurred withLM 17-18-19. So, there's no way the LM store's pendrive could run/act like a D/l to a pendrive for they'd get everyone of them back that they sold. No, it isn't just an .iso.

RE: TBOne

Please read reply above. Are you running any distro from a pendrive? The taskbar issue; could be for I have no persistence to "write to" although I'm not so sure that it shouldn't(?) be able to if only for one session. There is enough "space" on the pendrive for any changes.

No problem. Buy one and tell me what you find on it. The Mint ISO for example *is* a joint install/live ISO - you can play with it as much as you want as a live distro and/or, if you prefer, use it to install the distro onto a computer. What the folks in question appear to have done is added persistence for live usage, saving you the trouble of doing so on your own USB device.

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Sorry, but it is...read hydrurga's response.
Read my response again. There is a difference between running it from what is (again), essentially the hardware-test 'live' version, versus doing an INSTALL TO USB, with PERSISTENCE. It has zero to do with "space", but where things are set up and how, and you are ignoring that. You asked what the reason was, and you were told...if you think you know better and what the reason is, then please post your solution.

AGAIN, when you boot as you're doing, it is for **TESTING YOUR HARDWARE**; does your screen work? Wifi? Keyboard/mouse? Sound? Etc....once you verify it does, you then do an INSTALL, where your settings can be saved. You get basic screen resolution, and since you're not running with persistence, it doesn't write anything, anywhere. Simple concept. The Mint forums even cover this, with tutorials:
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=281891

You seem to ignore what was said about USB speed, too...and you are aware that USB read/write cycles are *NOT* good, right? That your thumbdrive won't last too long???

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RE: TBOne

This thread is going way off-track. I do not understand why you keep saying 'persistence" cannot be installed? I know that it can for the USB pendrives directly from the Linux store have it. And, after quite a bit of "exploring", I finally found this...https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/create-persistent-storage-live-usb-with.html I 'believe" this is what I must do in LM 19.1X. I'll entertain responses concerning this procedure. I believe I've solved the extreme lagging/freezing issues. I used Rufus to create the "bootable" pendrive and in doing so, I opted for dd instead of .iso. So far,after about a half-dozen or so sessions, I'm not experiencing the severe lagging nor, as yet, any freezing. That said, I understand running LM from a pendrive WILL have a certain amount of "slowness", but it is nothing compared to what I was getting and, at worse, so minimal, that it's easily tolerated. I'm, now, concerned with implementing the 'persistence". Let's all concern ourselves with that issue. I believe(I hope) I've found the solution to that problem (???). I'm well aware that everyone (well, OK...not everyone) considers running an O.S. from a pendrive to be a futile effort...OK, so what...I'm doing it and I will "suffer-the-consequences" if there be any. Any responses/opinions/suggestions concerning the above posted link and it's implementation?

THANX

As you were told before by others, they do not; they contain an ISO image. AGAIN, those are used for installing Linux, and you CAN run from them, but not save preferences. Again, there are 'live' distros like Puppy that are designed to do this, and Mint, which CAN run from USB, but for testing. It then needs to be installed, somehow, to some device. And AGAIN, that device can be a USB stick.

You don't seem to be understanding the answers you're getting from me and others; we can answer you, but we can't understand it for you.
AGAIN: I handed you a link that told you specifically to use mkusb for this exact purpose. Glad you found what I gave you after so many hours of 'exploring'. Odd that you don't seem to read the links folks give you when you ask for help.
Since it was the same one I gave you (twice)? Not really.
Read the LQ Rules about text-speak, and not using it.

RE: TBOne;

Wouldn't it be great IF you actually knew at least half of what you want people to think you know? YOU have not provided any solutions here! You just come here to bitch...guess that's the only way you can supplement your inferiority. Do both of us a favor...keep out of any of my threads. I don't know if there's a way to block you, but if there's is I'll do it. YOU did not give me any info about mkusb...you just used a link where it was already posted...nice try but no cookie. YOU did not offer any assistance in adding persistence to a live LM19.1X. YOU did refer to someone else's reply as if YOU said it...no cookie for that either. You just haven't helped in any way, no matter what you want to say. GO AWAY....far, far away...OH, in case you haven't figured it out, there's a damn good reason I never checked your reply "Did You Find This Post Helpful"...it's because it never was!!!