LinuxQuestions.org
Visit Jeremy's Blog.
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Desktop
User Name
Password
Linux - Desktop This forum is for the discussion of all Linux Software used in a desktop context.

Notices


Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 02-08-2019, 12:29 PM   #1
69Rixter
Member
 
Registered: Jan 2014
Location: central Ohio
Distribution: PuppyTahr 7.5
Posts: 300

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Difficulties w/ 19.1


A few days ago I 'installed" LM 19.1 on a PNY 16Gb(2.0) pendrive. Have run into a few snags that I've not been able to correct. First; there seems to be an awful lot of lagging and, to a lesser degree, freezing both on start up and getting browser and subsequent sites.In accordance with that, D/l's and pkg. installs also "lag"/freeze. Second; in task bar, time/date is so far to the right it cannot be seen. Tried multiple times to move it over to the left, but each time failed and it went right back where it was.So, need to move time/date to the left on the task bar...permanently....with that, I cannot "configure" time/date. Security updates/updates from the task do not install? Lastly(???), I use Opera browser...in doing so, I needed a plash player. Opera "claims to have it installed(?) but the site I use (jumble.com and msngames.com)keep requesting the install od Abobe flash player.I tried to install "pepper flash" in LM 19.1, but sites keep requesting "install Adobe flashplayer"? I'm sure these are just minor bugs, but I sure would like to know how to correct them. Oh, BTW, searched here, forums.LinuxMint and BING prior to coming here.Anyone got some thoughts on what i need to do?
THANX:
Rick
 
Old 02-08-2019, 01:18 PM   #2
sevendogsbsd
Member
 
Registered: Sep 2017
Distribution: None, just FreeBSD
Posts: 735

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
When you say "installed", did you actually do an install to a thumb drive or is it just running live from an image written to the thumb drive? If it's running live, that explains the issue with persistence of your settings. Also, the cinnamon version is very graphically intensive, not sure if that's the version you are running - it requires 3d acceleration to draw the desktop or else runs in a veeeerrrryyy slow software render mode. That would explain the lag.
 
Old 02-09-2019, 01:41 PM   #3
69Rixter
Member
 
Registered: Jan 2014
Location: central Ohio
Distribution: PuppyTahr 7.5
Posts: 300

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: Disabled
RE: sevendogsbsd;

Thanks for replying. Ok, when I say "installed" I mean I installed the LM 19.1 onto a pendrive. No, it's not "running live" from an .iso image.and I should have mentioned I'm running XFCE...apologies! Today when I used the O.S., it took over a minute for it to 'load". It took the browser about the same time to load. Also today, I see 'kernel updates". Hmm...well I'd better run them (I guess). I was hoping that the more I used the system, the more it would improve, but I'm not sure that's happening.I really don't think the slowness and freezing are due to a 2.0 speed pendrive, but if you have a different opinion, please state so and WHY. (TY) I've read that puppy Linux is more suited to a pendrive, but I really don't understand why...their reasoning it that's it "less program intensive", but that doesn't make sense to me because I use XFCE which is already the "smallest" O.S. size to begin with.(1.8Gb)Curious...am I to guess your using BSD O.S? Just wondered about it for I've "checked it out"/read up on it and was wondering your thoughts on it.. Now, back to the lagging/freezing issues. Any thoughts/ideas on what may be causing it? Anyone?

THANX

addendum: started running 'updates", so far it's been 15 mins. Really, it shouldn't take this long.(?) And I forgot this item. I've tried, several times, to move the time/date to the left on the task bar and each time, it reverts right back to where it was. Reason I need to move to the left is that it's soooo far to the right, it can't be read/seen visually.In "properties" it gives "move" icon, but it doesn't work for whatever reason. Now, it's been 20+ minutes on "updates" and it's only showing one quarter of the way finished???

Last edited by 69Rixter; 02-09-2019 at 02:06 PM. Reason: addendum
 
Old 02-09-2019, 03:12 PM   #4
sevendogsbsd
Member
 
Registered: Sep 2017
Distribution: None, just FreeBSD
Posts: 735

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Well, I want to say the lag is due to the read and write speed of the thumbdrive media, plus the bus speed of the USB bus. The SATA bus speed using even a spinning hard drive is much faster. For example:

USB 2.0 = 480 Mbit/s
SATA 1.0 is 1.5 Gbit/s

We are now on SATA 3.x which is 6GBit/s. So even the slowest spinning hard drive from 16 years ago is 3 times faster than a USB 2 thumbdrive.

I am not a hardware guru but that is my guess.

Concerning Puppy Linux, the requirements making it "less intensive" are not because of its size, but because of its demands on the computer in terms of CPU and memory. Puppy Linux uses (if I am not mistaken) JWM as a window manager, which is much much lighter than Xfce4, plus Puppy purposely sets up their OS to be as light as possible in terms of required resources (running services, etc). Mint does not do this because they expect the OS to run on either a laptop or PC hard drive.

Again, I have never ran Linux from a pendrive so my logic here is just me thinking out loud.

As for FreeBSD, I have dabbled in it on and off with it for several years but never fully committed to switching to it until about 6 months ago. I have been using Linux as my desktop for 20+ years and like FreeBSD better. It was not an easy transition because they are radically different creatures but I am happier so that's what matters
 
1 members found this post helpful.
Old 02-11-2019, 12:15 AM   #5
ondoho
LQ Addict
 
Registered: Dec 2013
Posts: 11,025
Blog Entries: 7

Rep: Reputation: 2777Reputation: 2777Reputation: 2777Reputation: 2777Reputation: 2777Reputation: 2777Reputation: 2777Reputation: 2777Reputation: 2777Reputation: 2777Reputation: 2777
Puppy is more suited to run from a pendrive because it is not installed to it in the traditional sense - it's a live medium with persistence. The OS is loaded into RAM, that makes it fast even on old machines.
This is possible to achieve for other distros also.
Instructions for Ubuntu.
 
Old 02-13-2019, 02:44 PM   #6
69Rixter
Member
 
Registered: Jan 2014
Location: central Ohio
Distribution: PuppyTahr 7.5
Posts: 300

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: Disabled
RE to EVERYONE:

To those who've replied...THANK YOU. Ahm...every since I "moved on" from LM 17.3, I've had problems with the Linux distros working properly from a pendrive. As for PuppyLinux, I've tried that in the past and had even more problems!(??) I looked back over my posts from a few years ago and observed the LM 18 series and now LM 19 series are when the lagging (and other problems) started showing up. That is why I went from "live" to a full install(on USB stick) with LM19.1. Is it just that the past 2 series of LM O.S's are just not suited for pendrives? I find that a bit difficult to except(???), don't you? PuppyLinux, LinuxLite, and AntiX shouldrun from a pendrive with minimal lagging...at best. (IMO) As I do expect a very small bit of lagging, due to processing from drive to RAM, I don't feel it should be at/to the level I'm experiencing. Let me ask, is there anyone here running a recent Linux distro via pendrive? I'd love to hear from you and what, if any, difficulties your experiencing. To everyone else, THANX for your input. I've said this in past posts "I feel the problems I'm experiencing are minor and easily remedied"...but that said I also realize "finding" the cause of the problems can be/are a major endeavor...most of the time. Hope someone here can figure it out. If you've discovered I've done something incorrect, please, by all means, let me know. I really want to get this O.S. working properly/with the minimum(meaning none) of "problems".

THANX
 
Old 03-07-2019, 02:52 PM   #7
69Rixter
Member
 
Registered: Jan 2014
Location: central Ohio
Distribution: PuppyTahr 7.5
Posts: 300

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Alright: Let's head this in a direction that may solve my problems. LinuxStore supplies/sells Linux distros "on a stick". So, they have had to do something "different" to those distro's in order for them to run "properly". OK, now, what do they incorporate into their distros-on-a-pendrive that I'm not getting when I D/l a distro and run "live"(or even a full install) from a pendrive? Hope you understand what I just said for I cannot explain it any other way.
 
Old 03-07-2019, 03:04 PM   #8
hydrurga
LQ Guru
 
Registered: Nov 2008
Location: Pictland
Distribution: Linux Mint 19.1 MATE
Posts: 7,135
Blog Entries: 2

Rep: Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489
Quote:
Originally Posted by 69Rixter View Post
Alright: Let's head this in a direction that may solve my problems. LinuxStore supplies/sells Linux distros "on a stick". So, they have had to do something "different" to those distro's in order for them to run "properly". OK, now, what do they incorporate into their distros-on-a-pendrive that I'm not getting when I D/l a distro and run "live"(or even a full install) from a pendrive? Hope you understand what I just said for I cannot explain it any other way.
As far as I can see, those Linux Store pen drives only contain the ISO of the relevant distro, which can be used to install the distro on a computer system and/or run the distro live from the pen drive (but not necessarily to have persistence). That's if you are referring to http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/linux-...#buy-linux-usb
 
1 members found this post helpful.
Old 03-07-2019, 03:20 PM   #9
TB0ne
LQ Guru
 
Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Distribution: SuSE, RedHat, Slack,CentOS
Posts: 21,139

Rep: Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359
Quote:
Originally Posted by 69Rixter View Post
Alright: Let's head this in a direction that may solve my problems. LinuxStore supplies/sells Linux distros "on a stick". So, they have had to do something "different" to those distro's in order for them to run "properly". OK, now, what do they incorporate into their distros-on-a-pendrive that I'm not getting when I D/l a distro and run "live"(or even a full install) from a pendrive? Hope you understand what I just said for I cannot explain it any other way.
They probably just follow the instructions, honestly. Pretty much every distro has instructions or documentation on running from USB in 'live' mode, including Mint 19.1:
https://linuxmint-installation-guide...highlight=live

To address this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by 69Rixter
That is why I went from "live" to a full install(on USB stick) with LM19.1. Is it just that the past 2 series of LM O.S's are just not suited for pendrives? I find that a bit difficult to except(???), don't you? PuppyLinux, LinuxLite, and AntiX shouldrun from a pendrive with minimal lagging...at best. (IMO) As I do expect a very small bit of lagging, due to processing from drive to RAM, I don't feel it should be at/to the level I'm experiencing.
USB is *ALWAYS* going to be slower than HDD/SSD, and the Mint website even tells you this. Doesn't matter how much the RAM footprint is, writing to USB is slow, so either do a full installation, or live with USB speeds.
Quote:
Let me ask, is there anyone here running a recent Linux distro via pendrive? I'd love to hear from you and what, if any, difficulties your experiencing. To everyone else, THANX for your input. I've said this in past posts "I feel the problems I'm experiencing are minor and easily remedied"...but that said I also realize "finding" the cause of the problems can be/are a major endeavor...most of the time. Hope someone here can figure it out. If you've discovered I've done something incorrect, please, by all means, let me know. I really want to get this O.S. working properly/with the minimum(meaning none) of "problems".
The 'cause' is you're running from USB, and expecting the device to work faster than it was designed to.

Your task bar issues are probably caused because you've got nowhere to write desktop settings to. Mint 19.1 runs 'live' to give folks a chance to check out the hardware, and make sure it all works. Again, their website covers this.
 
2 members found this post helpful.
Old 03-07-2019, 06:12 PM   #10
69Rixter
Member
 
Registered: Jan 2014
Location: central Ohio
Distribution: PuppyTahr 7.5
Posts: 300

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Re: HYDRURGA

Please check here; https://www.osdisc.com/products/linu...stence/desktop. It shows "live" and of course, install. Also w/ persistence which is one of the headaches I incurred withLM 17-18-19. So, there's no way the LM store's pendrive could run/act like a D/l to a pendrive for they'd get everyone of them back that they sold. No, it isn't just an .iso.

RE: TBOne

Please read reply above. Are you running any distro from a pendrive? The taskbar issue; could be for I have no persistence to "write to" although I'm not so sure that it shouldn't(?) be able to if only for one session. There is enough "space" on the pendrive for any changes.
 
Old 03-07-2019, 06:23 PM   #11
hydrurga
LQ Guru
 
Registered: Nov 2008
Location: Pictland
Distribution: Linux Mint 19.1 MATE
Posts: 7,135
Blog Entries: 2

Rep: Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489Reputation: 2489
Quote:
Originally Posted by 69Rixter View Post
Re: HYDRURGA

Please check here; https://www.osdisc.com/products/linu...stence/desktop. It shows "live" and of course, install. Also w/ persistence which is one of the headaches I incurred withLM 17-18-19. So, there's no way the LM store's pendrive could run/act like a D/l to a pendrive for they'd get everyone of them back that they sold. No, it isn't just an .iso.
No problem. Buy one and tell me what you find on it. The Mint ISO for example *is* a joint install/live ISO - you can play with it as much as you want as a live distro and/or, if you prefer, use it to install the distro onto a computer. What the folks in question appear to have done is added persistence for live usage, saving you the trouble of doing so on your own USB device.
 
1 members found this post helpful.
Old 03-08-2019, 07:06 AM   #12
TB0ne
LQ Guru
 
Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Birmingham, Alabama
Distribution: SuSE, RedHat, Slack,CentOS
Posts: 21,139

Rep: Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359Reputation: 5359
Quote:
Originally Posted by 69Rixter View Post
Re: HYDRURGA
Please check here; https://www.osdisc.com/products/linu...stence/desktop. It shows "live" and of course, install. Also w/ persistence which is one of the headaches I incurred withLM 17-18-19. So, there's no way the LM store's pendrive could run/act like a D/l to a pendrive for they'd get everyone of them back that they sold. No, it isn't just an .iso.
Sorry, but it is...read hydrurga's response.
Quote:
RE: TBOne
Please read reply above. Are you running any distro from a pendrive? The taskbar issue; could be for I have no persistence to "write to" although I'm not so sure that it shouldn't(?) be able to if only for one session. There is enough "space" on the pendrive for any changes.
Read my response again. There is a difference between running it from what is (again), essentially the hardware-test 'live' version, versus doing an INSTALL TO USB, with PERSISTENCE. It has zero to do with "space", but where things are set up and how, and you are ignoring that. You asked what the reason was, and you were told...if you think you know better and what the reason is, then please post your solution.

AGAIN, when you boot as you're doing, it is for **TESTING YOUR HARDWARE**; does your screen work? Wifi? Keyboard/mouse? Sound? Etc....once you verify it does, you then do an INSTALL, where your settings can be saved. You get basic screen resolution, and since you're not running with persistence, it doesn't write anything, anywhere. Simple concept. The Mint forums even cover this, with tutorials:
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=281891

You seem to ignore what was said about USB speed, too...and you are aware that USB read/write cycles are *NOT* good, right? That your thumbdrive won't last too long???

Last edited by TB0ne; 03-08-2019 at 07:07 AM.
 
1 members found this post helpful.
  


Reply

Tags
linuxmint 19.1


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Apsfilter, KDE, applications printer difficulties Calcutec Linux - Hardware 1 09-14-2002 01:48 PM
DVD Player, GeForce4, and OpenGL Difficulties Xilimyth Linux - Hardware 12 08-12-2002 08:08 PM
Another dual boot question - LILO difficulties dsknkt Linux - Software 9 05-11-2002 04:22 PM
Modem Difficulties Jeewhizz Linux - General 3 04-23-2002 03:03 PM
Mandrake install difficulties punwit Linux - Software 0 01-03-2002 09:53 PM

LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Desktop

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:26 AM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Facebook: linuxquestions Google+: linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration