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Old 02-24-2018, 08:28 AM   #1
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Is certification really necessary?


Certification force us to memories a lot of data, like commands of vi, number of ports, number of dhcp options and so on. But in reality - why should we need that memorized in real life if we can easily google that?
Another thing that while reading book on certification you should delve into every sentence. Because if you loose something - you will not pass the exam. And I have problems with concentration of attention and I need to reread many sentences for 5 times before I can really understand them. That kills motivation and take much more time. And there are so many technologies today - why we really need to understand each of these technologies so deep?

Another thing is that I am perfectionist and I have bad feeling if I don't understand some sentence and move on without rereading it. Should I suppress that feeling?

Is certification really necessary or we can read technology books like fiction book not necessarily understanding every sentence?
 
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Certification force us to memories a lot of data, like commands of vi, number of ports, number of dhcp options and so on. But in reality - why should we need that memorized in real life if we can easily google that?
Another thing that while reading book on certification you should delve into every sentence. Because if you loose something - you will not pass the exam. And I have problems with concentration of attention and I need to reread many sentences for 5 times before I can really understand them. That kills motivation and take much more time. And there are so many technologies today - why we really need to understand each of these technologies so deep?

Another thing is that I am perfectionist and I have bad feeling if I don't understand some sentence and move on without rereading it. Should I suppress that feeling? Is certification really necessary or we can read technology books like fiction book not necessarily understanding every sentence?
It is not necessary at all, in my opinion. But your post indicates a larger issue, in that you seem to be complaining about having to learn things, and thinking that you're just going to be able to Google whatever you want. If you don't have basic skills and the desire to learn, then you need to stop where you are and get a different job.

What, exactly, are you going to do if the network is down? Or the proxy server? Or you're on an isolated/secure network? If I hire someone, and ask them to go fix something, they had better *KNOW* what they're doing. Having to look up syntax or remember some obscure option is one thing. Knowing basic commands, ports, etc., is quite another. If they say they can't make any headway without having Google, then I DO NOT NEED THEM WORKING FOR ME, since I am ALSO fully capable of looking things up on Google for free.

You need to get knowledge and learn, period. Certifications are meaningless, to me, since most everyone I've encountered from the 'quality outsourcing companies' has several, and none of them seem to know what they're doing.
 
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Old 02-24-2018, 10:00 AM   #3
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Certification force us to memories a lot of data, like commands of vi, number of ports, number of dhcp options and so on. But in reality - why should we need that memorized in real life if we can easily google that?
Another thing that while reading book on certification you should delve into every sentence. Because if you loose something - you will not pass the exam. And I have problems with concentration of attention and I need to reread many sentences for 5 times before I can really understand them. That kills motivation and take much more time. And there are so many technologies today - why we really need to understand each of these technologies so deep?

Another thing is that I am perfectionist and I have bad feeling if I don't understand some sentence and move on without rereading it. Should I suppress that feeling?

Is certification really necessary or we can read technology books like fiction book not necessarily understanding every sentence?
Personally I believe that Certification is just a money making ploy, and not for the one(s) being "forced" to get Certification so he or she can get a job in the field of computers.

If you can learn yourself and/or are of good logical thought and reasoning and process of elimination, and deduction, then you can pretty much figure out anything you put your mind to. so.. just figure it out and find someone that will hire you on your personal merit and not a piece of paper you paid a lot of money to get.

There are book smart people out there that still have not one lick of common sense.

that is not to say that taking a few or lot of classes at a school/college to help you is a bad thing.


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Another thing is that I am perfectionist and I have bad feeling if I don't understand some sentence and move on without rereading it. Should I suppress that feeling?

Dear link08,
suppressing ones feelings is like bottling up a soda pop and when shaken violently can explode in you face when opened.

one should explore their feelings so they can better understand themselves.

why are you skipping over reading material that you do not understand, instead of exploring it so you can better understand it?

how does that make you feel when you do that?

why do you consider yourself a perfectionist?

to what point of perfection do you look to gain before feeling complete in the perfection you are looking for?

does not skipping material you do not understand show a flaw in perfectionism, or does it allow one to not be so rigged in this personality that is called a perfectionist?

because the personality trait termed rigged is also a trait found in abnormal personality disorders.

I only state this because of your statement/question about your feelings and you being a perfectionist then stating / showing signs of not so much.

having bad feelings as a result of you not understand something so you skip over it.

tell me about your childhood. or says something about your childhood, as this is not actually a psychology forum.

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Old 02-24-2018, 10:47 AM   #4
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why are you skipping over reading material that you do not understand, instead of exploring it so you can better understand it?
I have problems with concentration of attention. I often "fly in the sky" while reading a book. And then I unintentionally skip some parts of the book. And when I force myself to go back and understand it I again go to the sky. And this can happen 5 times. This greatly increase time needed to read a book and kills motivation. On the other hand - if I skip material that I didn't get - and I come to some interesting thing in the book - my mind return from the sky to the book and concentrate on it. But as perfectionist I feel bad of skipping material.

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to what point of perfection do you look to gain before feeling complete in the perfection you are looking for?
I will be satisfied if I do not loose even single sentence from the book I am reading.
 
Old 02-24-2018, 10:50 AM   #5
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The thing is that today we need to know a lot of technologies. And learning 1 technology to perfection will only make you not know others. And you need to compete with others. So while you spent your time reading a paragraph from the book 5 times - someone already read 5 paragraphs. May be the second person didn't understood those paragraphs so well, as you understand your 1 paragraph. But in reality lack of knowledge can be googled. So the second person will have the upper hand.

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Old 02-24-2018, 11:01 AM   #6
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you know I have no any certification. So I think it is not really necessary. But you need to have practice and knowledge.
About perfectionism: you cannot be perfect in anything just because everything is changing continuously (I mean now programming skills and similar). So you need to learn continuously and also you will forget things which are currently not in use (and you will have no time to follow every change of every piece of language/technology/hardware/whatever you used earlier).
 
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I have problems with concentration of attention. I often "fly in the sky" while reading a book. And then I unintentionally skip some parts of the book. And when I force myself to go back and understand it I again go to the sky. And this can happen 5 times. This greatly increase time needed to read a book and kills motivation. On the other hand - if I skip material that I didn't get - and I come to some interesting thing in the book - my mind return from the sky to the book and concentrate on it. But as perfectionist I feel bad of skipping material.
I have the same problem, sometimes I have to read the page again and again and still do not absorb what it is trying to tell me, I am more of a hands on kind of guy in order to obtain the information I need in order to retain this knowledge of learning. So I can see how it works. Though I can still have abstract thoughts and am able to shift one line of thought over to something else and use the same method of thought to understand that line of thought or apply the method to it in order to make it work with that as well, which requires knowing the basics of both to see how they coincide.

Most of the time, not always, I can read about it and still have no idea what it it is talking about. but put it to test then see what it is doing then I gain the understand of it.

people learn in different ways, some can read a book and get it, these are called book smart people. some have common sense and some do not.

I am not one of them.


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I will be satisfied if I do not loose even single sentence from the book I am reading.
perhaps you are applying another mans way of learning to yourself when it is not your way of learning, like wearing someone elses glasses to see what he sees. It becomes blurred to you instead.

off the top of my head advice.

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Old 02-24-2018, 11:09 AM   #8
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The thing is that today we need to know a lot of technologies. And learning 1 technology to perfection will only make you not know others. And you need to compete with others. So while you spent your time reading a paragraph from the book 5 times - someone already read 5 paragraphs. May be the second person didn't understood those paragraphs so well, as you understand your 1 paragraph. But in reality lack of knowledge can be googled. So the second person will have the upper hand.
Wrong; they will not. You seem to be saying "Well, I can get on a motorcycle, and do one mile in a minute! There is no need to practice track and field, or to get in better shape! I can go out and compete in a marathon by using this machine!" Wrong...do NOT confuse looking things up with UNDERSTANDING THEM, knowing how to think, how to troubleshoot, etc. Skill and knowledge is what you have when you remove EVERYTHING ELSE from the equation. If I hired you, and you had to go posting to forums or looking things up each time I asked you for something, I'd fire you VERY quickly, because you have demonstrated that you're useless. If you can't learn (and don't seem to WANT to, to be honest), then you are in for a rude awakening.

You seem to be ignoring everything you're getting told. To make it more simple:
  • Certifications don't matter
  • Looking things up on Google does NOT make you smart, talented, or knowledgeable.
  • You will NOT get a job where you can only do one little thing, ever, and that thing will never change
  • That one little thing you may know will be useless in a short time, and if you don't know anything else...so will YOU be.
Either learn or get a different line of work. Sorry to sound harsh, but everything you've posted indicates no desire for you to learn anything, but instead you seem to think you can forum/google your entire career. You cannot.
 
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one too could become too much of a perfectionist to the point they begin to tell themselves its not worth it because whatever they set out to do will and can never measure up to the point of perfection that have put their standards to, therefore it is now a problem and requires rewiring the brain.
 
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One of the problems with certifications is that it gives a false sense of security.

If you hire a certified person, it only tells that the person was able to pass an exam, not if he is qualified for the job.

And if a non-certified person is rejected he might have been fully qualified.

There is a certain truth in that you must be able to manage a few things without having it to look up in Google. But heck, I can't even memorize the options anymore for the scripts I wrote myself and use on a regular basis. (That is why I also implement the -h parameter. . But I would flunk for an exam on my own script)

Once I worked with a university graduated electronic engineer. A real university, no fake. A real exam, and real marks on his list. He was not able to build a 12VDC unstabilized power supply.

Half a century ago I was interviewed for a job and I had all the necessary qualifications. Then the head of the product development dept joined the interview and asked me to draw and explain an opamp integrator. As well as a CE transistor circuit with a given amplification and collector voltage. Later I was told most candidates which came that far in the selection procedure failed the test.

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Old 02-24-2018, 08:43 PM   #11
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In reality it's all a money ploy. Other nations with government full rides have lower salaries. But companies can't just go straight there without coming up with some justification. That justification is certifications. We can't find someone with $10K worth of certs (that didn't even exist last week) to work our minimum wage job, so we MUST go overseas. Very few of the certs are worth the paper they are printed on. The mere fact that they "EXPIRE" proves that it's a ploy. A subscription model of education, versus a few years for a degree and done. Sadly not limited to the tech sector anymore. You now need a certification to handle "food" in the state of Texas. You could probably have your mom arrested for making you a sandwich because she didn't get the cert. Our modern life, *sigh*.
 
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yep. and all one is basically doing is paying someone to tell you to wash your hands after you've gone to the bathroom and wear plastic gloves that can even cause cross contamination no matter if one is a card carrier or not.

you got gloves on touch something then you have to remove them and put on a new pair of gloves to touch something else otherwise cross contamination could still occur just as well. Makes that card worthless. because no one is being told to change the gloves every time you touch something that I know of.

and even computer certifications the test material too is out dated. Windows DOS commands and DOS knowledge when Windows is not even using DOS other than a platform for their Windows GUI for the most part now. I do not know if that part of it is still in there, but even so, I bet the material one is being tested on over 50 % of it is already out dated. So making one have to learn and remember such information when he or she will never put it to use too is a waist of time even if they do know how to do something. still even more so, even if the test material is current their still is no guarantee one will ever be putting any of it to use.

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Old 02-25-2018, 06:43 AM   #13
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Guys, everyone that I know - passed the exams by brain dumps. But lets imagine the ideal certification - when you pass 100% by knowledge, not dumps. Because if you say "someone from university didn't know something" that only means he may pass exams by dumps.

From my point of view - if I have more time I would definitely go for certification. I am perfectionist and I like the detail level that certification go on it's subject. But I do not have that time. I have wife, children, dog, MMORPG, gym, country house. 1 hour of free time is a blessing for me. And I need to use that time wisely - not cram every single command of vi editor.
 
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so try to get certificate to MMORPG.
 
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But I do not have that time. I have wife, children, dog, MMORPG, gym, country house. 1 hour of free time is a blessing for me. And I need to use that time wisely - not cram every single command of vi editor.
Don't we all have a lack of time? Certification or not, you have to invest time in acquiring knowledge. As I stated before I have doubts about certificates, but I don't have doubts about expertise, skill level, proficiency. If you want to be qualified for something, you have to become qualified. The 10,000 hour rule holds. For IT as much as for anything else.

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