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Old 05-18-2015, 10:39 AM   #16
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That's a good one for the quotes thread.
That saying was old when I was just a child, 60+ years ago. It has been around for at least a couple of centuries.
 
Old 05-18-2015, 06:29 PM   #17
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the vocational schools don't teach installation the coast of letting students muck up sheet metal fittings is why too high

installation is a seasonal job
SOOOOO!
most guys don't stay in HVAC long enough to get good at installation
and
the installers are second class jobs so most installers that do get good at there jobs
move on to service
to top it all off most owners of HVAC companies were salesmen who wouldn't know a shitty installation from a good one even if it was in there own house

office buildings end up getting retrofit after retrofit after retrofit rather than being completely redone blame the cheap landlord for the shitty jobs done to these buildings it was most likely the landlord who picked the thermostat location
 
Old 05-18-2015, 07:36 PM   #18
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When I said just move it, I should have put a in to point out a bit of humor. Have a professional move it.

In my area there is a state level rating and it isn't really easy but yes, stupid lazy people can pass.


In general, you shouldn't drill into columns. The only correct way is to weld a mounting tab. I doubt you could get a professional engineer to pass a column that has wires running in it. Without some firestop and load ratings or extra hole support, your building is compromised.

My question to idiots that drill into them is "how many holes can you put in before the roof falls down?" Then I make them weld them back up.

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Old 05-18-2015, 08:12 PM   #19
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I went to Caltech in the early '70s. When energy and conservation became topics important enough to come to the attention of the institution, about '74, the engineering faculty evaluated the whole campus and found some buildings with the independent thermostats on the AC and furnace set so that both would run at the same time. They added a cogeneration plant as well as making sense of heating, cooling, light, etc.
 
Old 05-20-2015, 10:06 AM   #20
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This is a very interesting conversation. A number of companies are working on iOT formed solution paths. Seen a ton of that for medical and environmental businesses at the various real time embedded and/or medical shows.

In short, I think they know there are problems and they're trying to do something about it.
 
Old 05-21-2015, 03:52 PM   #21
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That saying was old when I was just a child, 60+ years ago. It has been around for at least a couple of centuries.
Yes, I heard that years ago as a kid while in a shop class. Adapted to suit the class.
 
Old 05-21-2015, 07:15 PM   #22
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Yes, I heard that years ago as a kid while in a shop class. Adapted to suit the class.
60+ years and never heard it before, guess I've lived a sheltered life. Nevertheless, the proof of a good quote is not its age but its quotability.
 
Old 05-23-2015, 11:48 AM   #23
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I suspect it's a regional saying. Different areas have different ways of saying things.
 
  


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