Let me first of all say that I do not what there to be dis-harmony among st LQ fans. Lets all be nice to each other altough our opinions may very.
As is evident by reading the subject of the thread, I want to know what you think about they standpoint of the US on the matter Iraq.
Me? Well I think America is wanting a war to soon. They should be more considerate to the Iraqi people because they will suffer most.
The reason I posted this thread here is because I know this site well and I like it. There is kind of an relaxed atmosphere here (although is't all cyber space). So I hope people won't think this is an inappropriate place for a thread like this.
Any way, i'm anxiously waiting for you response.

Well me personally think Bush is an idiot. (For the record, I voted for the other guy)

Second, I do believe he wants a war when its not really necessary. He's trying to clean up his dad's mistakes which should have been done long ago, but its a little late now.

I could rant a rave on something like this but I think that's all I'll say at the moment or never mention again.

trickykid Says no to War.

Hear hear! I agree that Bush is an idiot. Of course, I also voted for one of the other guys.

Nothing like having a President who didn't win the election. Bush may be an idiot, but I doubt that the guys around him are anywhere near as stupid. (like Cheney, who has been in or near the White House since 1969)

Well political debates kind of go in that category that I do not wish to speak on (along with religion, abortion, and sexual preference), however, I will give my 2 cents as a military member...

No one is perfect, and I believe Bush isn't as bad as everyone would like to believe. I think he's done a fine job as a president so far, and done it to the best of his ability. Regardless of who won what vote, at this point, Bush is the President (why concern yourself over anything that won't change at this point, definitely?). And as far as I am concerned about our situation in Iraq, I think Bush is doing a fine job. I believe Hussein has too much power, and not enough common sense, and not enough checks to go through before he'd obliviate the world. I am very happy Bush and several other countries are willing to step up and take on someone in this situation. I do believe he is right in what he is doing, and although there may be alternative reasons you may suspect for him doing this, I believe it is for the best of the future.

"But Chad, you are a pharmacy tech, what the hell do you know about going to war?"
Well I did train with the Marines, and as a Pharmacy Technician, my first duties are as a Hospital Corpsman. Hospital Corpsman are the field "doctors" for the Marines. So when they go to war, guess what, there are corpsman right along side them. If we go, I will not be here in my nice A/C'd pharmacy handing out meds to retired people, active duty family members, or Civilian emergencies; I will be on a boat, going over there with my Marines.

I think Bush has done a great job so far, and continues to do wonders for this country. I think many will find flaws in what he does, but again, nobody is perfect.

Anyway, now that I have written a paper on this, I will step off my soapbox and go see how the other linuxers are doing

Cool

Well, at least you seem to be saying that Bush Sr. should've taken Saddam out the first time. That said I assume you feel that since that time Saddam couldn't have become a BETTER person/ruler/dictator, only worse. So, why not go in and take him out now, better late than never. Besides if he's working on Weapons of Mass Destruction, should we wait until he has them and has used them to strike? Regardless of his motivations, our current constitutionally elected President is doing a superb job of handling the situation. Everytime someone comes up with something Bush should do before we go to war he says "Ok, we'll try that" , and we do (i.e., weapons inspections, gathering support from other countries, etc..). He who waits is lost.
Saddam and his regime is a ruthless, deadly S.O.B. and needs killing. I think the Iraqi people will welcome us with open arms when we liberate them from this tyrant.

And Dittoes to LQ Addict.

But don't you people think that the united states has got it's self in to this mess. Do know who helped sadam to power? Three guesses .... right, the US. The US supported Iraq when it was at war with Iran. It gave them the army that the US had fought during the first gulf war.
Sadam is a crewel man, there is no doubt about that. But the US knew about this long before the gulf war. Why didn't they act then? Sadam has been using chemical weapons against his own people. Right then the US had to act.
Do you think Bush is sincerely wanting what's best for peace? The only reason why Iraq is on the agenda is because of that black stuff that comes out it's soil.

Regardless of what the general population believes Bush is in there for, I believe it to be a good idea to cripple those with absolute power to crush the earth too easily.

And at this point, pointing a finger saying "It's all your fault Iraq has any weopons" well so what? We are trying to fix our mistake then if that is the belief. Whether the US got itself into this position or not, we are where we are, and now have to do with what we have.

I cannot read minds, but it seems many can. Bush may be in there for Oil, or he may actually be trying to take care of 1 more possibility to world destruction, I tend to believe the latter.

Cool

Ok, I'l admit yiou are right on some points. Regardless of how the world has gotten in to this mess, we have to deal with it now.
But what i'm seeing is that the US wants war no matter what Iraq does, wether the co-operate or not where will be war. War should be a last resort, when all else fails. But if I see how the US has been acting, I hardly belief they see it like that.
But MasterC, if you do happen to get deployed, I will hope for your safe return and be watch LQ regularly to see if you are back so I can bother you some more with my linux questions

Thank you very much. I will be sure to let you all know if I do.

I do feel the war coming on as well, and I sort of agree that it appears as if we are just looking for it, but what appears to be true seldom is it would seem. Another thing that I often refer to when thinking about things like this is that in the US, congress declares war, not the President. So unless he can actually cause all of congress to agree with him, he will not be able to start his own war. That's part of the reason I think it's fine for the US to be doing what they are doing. A large number of people make decisions in the US, it would not be 1 mans war; where on the other hand, that is exactly what it could be in Iraq. Democracy decides, not 1 man

Politics, damn they sure do make for some interesting topics, but sometimes can get out of control. Glad this seems to be going well so far...

Cool

Well i can tell you only one thing. I've lived through one war in '92 and indeirectly through another one, and i guarantee you, no matter what you people can think, you don't want another war, you dont....
America is already involved in many, many world conflicts already. What the media feed to the masses isn't so true as everyone likes to beleive. Media is a big mind control thing, it makes people think what is not really true. For ex. Anyone knows what is really happening in Kosovo since american forces got there to "make peace". Well, it's no man's land now, people get killed every day, although american "peace" forces claim everything is peacful and under control.
Anyway im with schatoor, although oil is not the only reason, it is one of them. Another is to eliminate Hussein, which is probably the right thing, but who am i to judge that?? Other reasons? Well i'll leave it at this, figure them yourself if you can see.
I despise political debates, so i'll retreat into my little hole i came from...

And MasterC, i really hope you don't go away, you are a part of LQ, and i will be saddened (as i beleive many others) if you are gone for some time, and then we will catch up with the posts and you'll have to do a lot of typing to recover.
-NSKL

he he he, I will defintely have to take some "typical" detox meds with me if I do go. I am so addicted to being here I'll be lost. How I ever reached ~4500 posts I'll never know, especially in what, 9 months?

Thanks for the support guys, I keep you posted.

War is defintely an ugly thing, I doubt anyone would argue that. I re-read my posts, and I don't think I said this. I don't want this war to happen. The difference being I won't be upset if it does. I think somethings just happen for the better, and whatever the reasons we are there, I believe takin Hussein out should be the top priority of most nations.

Cool

My belief and my hope is that the President is playing the role of the "bad cop". You know the one that smacks the bad guy around and threatens to break the guys fingers one by one until he comes clean.

I don't think anyone wants a war with anyone. Anyone who wishes for war is a lunatic or a U.S. Marine (hehe). I spent 8 years in the USMC and during college had to take some political science classes. It is my educated observance that this Saddam is a threat to the world and probably needs killin'. Same goes for Osama and every other psycho religious fanatics.

The US has unfortunately been thrust into a policeman role in the world. Everytime someone is mad at someone, they come looking for us to fix it. And it never fails that we come out looking like the bad guy. Sometimes I think we should just pack up our bags and leave the rest of the world to destroy/defend itself. But obviously that is not a valid answer either.

In the famous words of one Rodney King "Can't we all just get along?"

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Jeremiah

First of all, in my opinion, war should be the last option to take. I have the chance to live in a very peaceful place in the middle of europe, and I'm glad about that... But hearing of further wars in europe, where relatives of mine have been more or less involved and hearing of the situation in ex yugoslavia, where people I know are workoing... ugly. I think before starting a war, all the world should pray for peace and give a chance to it.

Ok. Now to my opinion concernning the Iraq-US conflict. The problem in my eyes is, that US don't care the UN rules. This means: Since WW2, since UN have been existing, we all believe that the security council shall stand for globally acepted politics concerning war or peace. The fact that US are the strongest military nation makes them to the man for bad work... but I hope, that they will accept UN decisions. So if UN come to the conclusion that war is inevitable... but I would not beeing able to accept an US standalone war!!! (If I had something to say...)

In the hope and praying for peace on earth

ajk

"My belief and my hope is that the President is playing the role of the "bad cop"."
Ye and like a bad cop, it doen't care about the rules: Keyoto? Wat Keyoto? and more of that. Forgive me for saying but the US has the U
N (and the world bank and the IMF) in it's pocket. If it doesn't like what the UN is saying, it will either ignore it or put so much presure on it that it changes it's views.
Let's hope for sake of the world that this cop isn't corrupted and is realy just looking after the law. But the thing is, that even that bad cop in the movie has a boss. The US has non. So who is going to check if the US is doing somthing wrong?
I there is a war and the US does ocupy Iraq, the international community should see to in that the US doesn't abuses it's power.

Hi all, in my opinion there is only one reason for this attack, crude oil, money, money and big companies, same as in the attack to Afganistan, a simple example is Corea, they´ve said they have nuclear bombs, but, as long as they dont have the "black gold" nothing happens, no attack, no nothing.

Just a thinking, imagine a guy from Iraq, he is against Hussein, but if the US start bombing he can die tomorrow, or someone of his family.

We have to stop this.