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Old 08-17-2017, 07:43 AM   #7891
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Aside from the fact that any philosophy built on the premise of Peace, Love and Civilized Behavior that also is responsible for millions of incarcerations, torture and murder is arguably hypocritical, I frankly don't care what percentage of the whole of conflict it adds up to. That it promotes ignorance, even resistance to revision based on tested facts, let alone smug, sanctimonious authoritarianism AND seeks economic and political power to enforce compliance is more than sufficient to wish for it to pass into historical novelty. How quickly and how thoroughly it is excised is directly proportional, IMHO, to the extent that it seeks coercion. "There can be only One" is the stuff of Fantasy and Horror and is an obstacle to real Civilization and Enlightenment.
How? Can you please advance veritable proof? Thanks ahead enorbet.

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Old 08-17-2017, 07:46 AM   #7892
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Opinions are religion unlike learning to poop in the right place...
Yes, because the former is a pure intellectual exercise, but the latter is a mere natural habit formation.

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Old 08-17-2017, 08:40 AM   #7893
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The "rules of the road" which have served us for so many hundred pages, to me, are simply these:
  • Okay: "I think that this sub-topic is ..." "I disagree with the opinion that ..." "My opinion is as follows ..."
  • Not Okay: "I think that you are ..." Fellow participants are never "fair game." Opinions are like asles ... everyone's got one, and sometimes it stinks. Be nice anyway. And please, don't condemn anyone to Heaven or to Hell.
 
Old 08-17-2017, 12:42 PM   #7894
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The "rules of the road" which have served us for so many hundred pages, to me, are simply these:
  • Okay: "I think that this sub-topic is ..." "I disagree with the opinion that ..." "My opinion is as follows ..."
  • Not Okay: "I think that you are ..." Fellow participants are never "fair game." Opinions are like asles ... everyone's got one, and sometimes it stinks. Be nice anyway. And please, don't condemn anyone to Heaven or to Hell.
I think you have it right...
 
Old 08-17-2017, 01:46 PM   #7895
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Seeds seem to grow vast ecosystems from practically nothing (like opinions) but everything exists (always has) and nothing does not aside from opinions... just my representation of a rabbit's (hole) 0 (not anus,,,) some of us are definitely pooping in the right direction‽!.
 
Old 08-17-2017, 01:50 PM   #7896
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Bidet to you.
 
Old 08-17-2017, 02:02 PM   #7897
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...tho s'that always interpretablE
 
Old 08-17-2017, 03:01 PM   #7898
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Old 08-17-2017, 03:32 PM   #7899
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Re: "There can be only One" is the stuff of Fantasy and Horror and is an obstacle to real Civilization and Enlightenment.

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How? Can you please advance veritable proof? Thanks ahead enorbet.

m.m.
The fact that Homo Sapiens are provably, obviously and historically (and by now, biologically) social creatures and have advanced through a balanced mix of competitiveness and cooperation as groups vs/ what an individual can achieve alone is a good beginning, I think. Violence and coercion are anathema to progress, at the very least in extreme degrees. Civilizations, beginning with Tribes, achieved stability and progress because the first order of business is protection from violence and coercion from external events. Very early in this process murder and theft, at least within The Tribe, were discouraged by the threat of becoming an outsider and subject to coercion and/or violence. Incidentally while it is meant to be funny, George Carlin's Essential Commandments does in fact boil down 10 to just those 2, once the mystical stuff is ignored. Children, whether actual or figuratively, may require a measured firm hand but most adults perform better and are happier, therefore less disgruntled and dangerous, with a decreasing scale of enforced rules directly proportional with opportunity.

I think Ayn Rand did a good job of characterizing The State as the combine of "Attila and the Witch Doctor", a motivational covering of corporeal existence as well as The AfterLife so all the bases were covered and candy coated by "Pie in the Sky" for the complete "whip and carrot". As the progression continues, Civilization improves and Life becomes (or at least that's what it did in fact become) less "brutish and short" the need for violence and coercion lessens. One effect is that The Tribe grows until there are no more Others that can be murdered or stolen from with impunity. One example is that while slavery did work in Agrarian Society it was far less successful, even severely damaging in Industrial Society as sabotage and poor quality increase with time and oppression.

As we progress into what is being called "The Information Society" the value of slavery to would-be slavers and any society, begins to disappear altogether as does the usefulness of violence. This becomes a self-supporting system that spirals in a manner better for everyone provided a large percentage are aware of the consequences of "killing the goose that lays golden eggs" and protects what serves and minimizes that which destroys. The most valuable natural resource is people because as long as there is ground to stand on, a few of those or even one is likely to discover how to grow useful plants, make bricks from mud and even extract nutrients directly from earth itself.

As for the downside of "There can Be Only One" if that isn't now obvious then consider what seems to be the real Natural Order. By our own biology if not the balance of order and chaos in the Universe, we are not meant to be alone. We thrive in cooperative groups. We thrive when we are free and open to adapt to changing circumstances. We stagnate when we become static and unmovable. We require balance but also the recognition that even that balance is not static and adaptability is the number one reason we are presently at the top of the food chain. Whether we can sustain that and equal or surpass dinosaurs, cockroaches, alligators and horseshoe crabs in basic survival provably depends on many surviving, not just One.

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Old 08-17-2017, 04:35 PM   #7901
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It's all about boobs...
 
Old 08-18-2017, 11:00 AM   #7902
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jamison20000e, you've been a member long enough to know posts such as #7901 are not acceptable here at LQ.

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Old 08-18-2017, 11:06 AM   #7903
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When I last looked, that word had two meanings and one of them was "a silly mistake". As in "Someone boobed." But that may be British usage only.
 
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Old 08-21-2017, 12:14 AM   #7905
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Perhaps I've took a nihilistic approach to the pointless war on the magical roundabout that everyone should just know alterateable boobs crated: gods,,, 50\50‽

Like they should know not to rape, hate, kill, multiply like rabbits (pooping) or any other opinions like religions...

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