The Faith & Religion mega Thread

Originally Posted by ShaanAli Its unknown to the people who are non-believers.

You may be convinced, but you don't know. There's a big difference.

For example, several hundred years ago, people knew the sun revolved around the earth.

Originally Posted by ShaanAli Every soul will taste death. There is no exception. People need answer when they loose their life, but people dont need answer they get new baby born? huh ?

LMAO! I expected arguments not water.. Of course everyone will die. It's well known fact! Also birth of baby is not argument speaking of God. It is again fact. Parents "make love" and biologically give birth to baby later. It is not proof of God. It is proof of Nature and nature laws. What's next? Gravity also is proof of God? Seriously..if i had to guess you are having daily laugh atm writing this nonsence.

Originally Posted by ShaanAli Its unknown to the people who are non-believers.

Believing in something isn't the same thing as being right.

Originally Posted by ShaanAli If you have to be sure or unsure Bible/Quran is word of GOD, read them with open mind.

Bad advice. Human mind have a wonderful habit of finding/inventing "proofs" when you want to believe in something. In other word, you can lie to yourself, and you can convince yourself that something is true when it is not and be unaware of it. Aside from major religions there were many small cults, and interestingly not all of the people that join such sects/cults are raving lunatics - some of them can be called normal. There are people that fall victims to financial scams, people that are trying to "win the lottery", etc - and in my opinion things like these happen because those people "believe" in something. So IMO having faith does not make you right, and if you believe/trust some kind of holy book, this does not mean this book tells the truth. You're human. Human's job is to make mistakes, jump to incorrect conclusions and screw up as a result of incorrect decisions (with a small chance of learning something useful from life experience). As a result it is hard to be sure that your faith isn't one of those mistakes.

Originally Posted by ShaanAli Every soul will taste death. There is no exception.

What is a soul, and where can it be found? What sensory organs does it employ to experience taste?

Originally Posted by ShaanAli People need answer when they loose their life, but people dont need answer they get new baby born? huh ?

When people die, they stop needing lots of things, answers among them.

Wow...Awesome.
F***g awesome.
Superb arguments...
Hah...wow...OMG!

Originally Posted by Arcane LMAO! I expected arguments not water.. Of course everyone will die. It's well known fact! Also birth of baby is not argument speaking of God. It is again fact. Parents "make love" and biologically give birth to baby later. It is not proof of God. It is proof of Nature and nature laws. What's next? Gravity also is proof of God? Seriously..if i had to guess you are having daily laugh atm writing this nonsence.

Can you define what is soul? How it looks, can you touch that? Can you create a new one? Can you destroy one?

Originally Posted by ShaanAli Can you define what is soul? How it looks, can you touch that? Can you create a new one? Can you destroy one?

Since you brought it up... can you?

Originally Posted by ShaanAli Can you define what is soul? How it looks, can you touch that? Can you create a new one? Can you destroy one?

Ok.
- Brain illusion - brain thinks it is soul because it can
- Well search for brain pictures on google if you want know how it looks like
- Yes but then i need open my skull
- Give birth to baby
- Kill
Your arguments(not water but real valid arguments not taken up from a*s) against this is?

Originally Posted by Dinithion Ok, I can't sit and watch this silently. In the end it all sums down to 1. The Bible/Quran is the word of God. 2. Why? Because the Bible says so. 3. How can we be sure the Bible/Quran is true? Goto 1.

Originally Posted by ShaanAli If you have to be sure or unsure Bible/Quran is word of GOD, read them with open mind. If you want to conclude anything without reading, nothing much to say then.

I really like the logic in ShaanAli's "argument" - read the Bible/Quaran with an open mind and you'll see that it's the true word of god.
Being brought up in a religious family and having religious education for 12 years of my primary/secondary school, I used to read the Bible quite often. It was ok, but I still prefer Dostoevsky.

Originally Posted by ShaanAli {...}read them with open mind.{...}

Please use words you know meaning of first! Open mind means this

Open mind refers in general to one's ability to think, use logical reasoning, and consider different or even opposing viewpoints. Saying someone lacks an open mind is often used pejoratively, for example, "Don't be pro-life/pro-marriage/pro-abstinence, be open-minded. In this context, "open minded" simply means considering a certain viewpoint.

Also when speaking about facts not taste there is no place for BIAS and Hypocrite mind-set.

Originally Posted by SigTerm Believing into something isn't the same thing as being right. Bad advice. Human mind have a wonderful habit of finding/inventing "proofs" when you want to believe in something. In other word, you can lie to yourself, and you can convince yourself that something is true when it is not and be unaware of it. Aside from major religions there were many small cults, and interestingly not all of the people that join such sects/cults are raving lunatics - some of them can be called normal. There are people that fall victims to financial scams, people that are trying to "win the lottery", etc - and in my opinion things like these happen because those people "believe" in something. So IMO having faith does not make you right, and if you believe/trust some kind of holy book, this does not mean this book tells the truth. You're human. Human's job is to make mistakes, jump to incorrect conclusions and screw up as a result of incorrect decisions (with a small chance of learning something useful from life experience). As a result it is hard to be sure that your faith isn't one of those mistakes.

Thats what i am saying again and again. read them before conclude anything. To know any religion, you need to read the scripts, dont look at the followers. followers may be good or bad. I see nature It make me believe in GOD. Nothing can be created by itself. How can we assume nature got created by itself. When baby get born, in 30 minutes who teaches him how to suck milk... I believe in Quran thats why i believe in GOD. FYI, so far nothing written in that book could be proved wrong scientifically. This book is talking about earth, sun, moon, light, big bang, baby born, human body in detail which science is proving now. Is that not amazing? Rem evolution is not proved yet by science, its just theory.

Originally Posted by Arcane Ok. - Brain illusion - brain thinks it is soul because it can - Well search for brain pictures on google if you want know how it looks like - Yes but then i need open my skull - Give birth to baby - Kill Your arguments(not water but real valid arguments not taken up from a*s) against this is?

Here u r answerless my dear friend.

Originally Posted by ShaanAli Nothing can be created by itself.

If you accept this idea, then you would have to include God. If you decide that God can have been created by himself, then you've invalidated your own premise.

Originally Posted by ShaanAli Here u r answerless my dear friend.

Listen..believing in something is nice..noone is against that but in case you didn't noticed - this is discussion not chat. Your sentence lacks sence.

Originally Posted by ShaanAli {...}Nothing can be created by itself.{...}

Noone says that. In fact physics has law for this issue already.

{...}How can we assume nature got created by itself.{...}

We have enough proof it was possible - do you have enough proof it was not possible?

{...}When baby get born, in 30 minutes who teaches him how to suck milk... {...}

Natural survival instincts(reaction) passed through DNA from generation to generation?

{...}I believe in Quran thats why i believe in GOD.{...}

This is discussion key! You believe! You don't know! You can't claim it to be true untill you have valid evidence to support your claim. And again..read previous posts and watch videos and movie i and others suggested before continue.
P.S.What about Alien theory? Maybe there is even more..

Originally Posted by ShaanAli I am sure 100%. like me there will be millions. You read GOD's scripture, you also will be 100% sure. When you read GOD scripture, you will realize this can not be written by any extraordinary person or even group of persons, that too 1500 years ago. I am talking about Quran here. Bible was also GOD's word, but unfortunately now its not in its pure form, we human being changed that to suit our need.

You can be a believer, no problem, but you just cannot be sure about something you cannot prove.

A book does not prove anything, your opinion is that God wrote it, ok, no prob, but I don't have to agree.

You can believe, have faith, whatever, but there is only one thing we can be sure 100%, and that is that everyone of us will die some day.