ROFL!!!!! This one is supreme!!!!!
Edit - it's been aaaages since I was at that site

You could recast it in a positive way: humanity seems to manage all these horrible problems fairly well, or at least muddle on through them.

A latteral approach to the thing...hmm,

I hate being politically correct.

If you feel like you want to murder yourself then get help. Don't go on some forum and try to get idiots to agree with you. Anyone that agrees with you will be guilty of murder also. If the doctors/spiritual or others that talk with you say it is OK to murder yourself then get on to the next ones. They too will be guilty of murder too in my opinion.

Maybe on some very rare instances where one may be expected to live only a few more hours and all reasonable hope is gone may one consider easing the pain.

I have no problem killing a human for a good reason. I do have a problem with murder.

In no uncertain terms I am saying that you need to get help, RIGHT NOW. Don't get worried, life has been difficult for billions of people before you and around you. I think of the places I've been and people I've seen who have it much worse than I. How can I not carry on if they have?

Hopefully your sources of help will offer a full approach. You need good food, exercise and rest along with help for whatever is in your mind.

Yes, many people in their 50's suffer this sort of feelings. You may not be able to get the help you need. You may have to pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

Actually, this "person in their 50's" doesn't suffer from such feelings. What you need to do, specifically instead of trying to "self-"diagnose anything, is to talk to someone who has the training and the resources to be able to look at the situation from an objective, outside point of view. At this point you don't know what the physiology of the situation might be, but you definitely should be thinking: "physiology," as in "physical."

If you had a head-cold, you'd know it. If you have depression, from whatever source (and there are a great many), you simply don't. Your thoughts appear to be "yours." But, they're not. No, not entirely. That's what makes it so insidious, and so lethal.

The "apparently sudden onset" of these feelings can also be a clue. But, again, you're really not the one in the best position right now to interpret those clues ... plus, you really don't have any experience, other than your own, from-the inside viewpoint, which by definition is skewed by the very thing you're trying to treat. The solution might turn out to be quite simple ... even, as I said, a food allergy. But you're probably not going to find it on your own.

What you can do "on your own" is to continue to suffer the consequences ... needlessly. This is disease, and it can be diagnosed and treated effectively i-f you seek it.

I wasn't kidding when I suggested a suicide-prevention hotline. Every community has one. Once the person who answers the phone realizes that she doesn't have to talk you down off a bridge (be sure to say that right away ...), she can point you to community resources, help to schedule (free ...) appointments, and so on. These are the people who are sitting on the front-line of dealing with depression in its most dangerous form. They're thoroughly trained and have fingertip access to the very resources that you need. There is no shame in saying, "I need information, and, I need help." This is what these people do.

Although I am really uncertain why you chose to quote me, it works well for this thread since things are not always simply labeled, conclusions should be carefully arrived at, communication is difficult as all hell, but surely I am the craziest here or at least the most bi-polar in regards to where and how I've lived my life. Yeah I have walked into Board of Directors' meetings in my 3 piece suit but I have also walked into town and even "the store" with cow shit on my overalls. I've been thrown from wild horses and even wilder women. I've been betrayed and stabbed in the back by smiling faces and lifted up out of a gutter of my own digging by complete strangers. My band toured 5 states for several years and also played in front of many fires, snowed in, and I've been holed up for a few rarely seeing, let alone speaking to another human for months at a time. It's shaky ground when we try to pigeon-hole people.

I've been part of and made some pretty big decisions and some stupendous mistakes and though I have been fooled and even a fool for a time, it doesn't define who I am.

From a way cool T-shirt - "Just because I'm wandering doesn't mean I'm lost"

and although I'm not particularly fond of The Dead's music

Sorry if I tweaked a nerve. I am just a scooter tramp who never attended a board meeting.

Unless they needed me for something.

Like when corp. asked me if I could stay on 3 more months while they found a replacement for me.
My answer was.

"I could do that. But I won't"

I guess I just dislike it when other respected members here start jumping on each others backs.
Being all bros around the same campfire.
I get into trouble for that in the real world also.

Been told. "You aint my daddy!"

You didn't tweak a nerve since I wasn't at all upset with you. I simply couldn't understand what you were getting at and wasn't completely sure who you were trying to characterize as a city boy and who was the country boy and it just so happened I am exactly the wrong person to apply either one of those stereotypes to. The bottom line to that though is I don't see how they could even apply. I really didn't know how to take Jefros comment but humor didn't register at all. I think I expressed that I am very aware of misinterpretation and hoped I was wrong, asked for an explanation, but country boys and city boys do have stuff in common. If they are real men they don't have a problem taking the heat when they are wrong but will risk being wrong to have a brother's back. Pretending someone wasn't kicked when they're down just to avoid drama is chicken shit in the city just as much as in the country. It seemed to me a person reached out for help and got his hand slapped just so the poster could crow.

It's not a problem to work it out like gentlemen. I just got a whiff of something that smelled like "bully" and figured it was better to apologize for being wrong about that than to let it stand, unopposed.

I'm a city boy turned country boy. Re: the most recent discussions.

Thor, regarding post #27, you've transcended 50 years and you have so little cynicism that you still feel you ought to leap out and save the world, like a rube, when you hear of an injustice that may even be made up? Sorry, I'm guessing not, and I actually applaud your sensitivity. Because honestly I've learned that as we age, many of us become one-sided, judgmental, fixed in our opinions and perspectives, so we'd be more cynical towards what we see are repeated, stupid actions on the parts of people. Like when you see a parent who comes down on their kid for a small mistake. Many of us outside the experience are like "Hey! Chill out on the kid! They're TEN!!" Not realizing that Mom or Dad is living that and the kid acting up or forgetting something as simple as how to open the front door is something they've seen in repetition 20 times per day, since forever. OK exaggerating, but you get the point, I feel "we age, and we get more callous towards the world" Great that you haven't. But I guess my advice might be to think twice about allowing yourself to extend you feelings so very much that it eats you up when you see/hear about bad stuff.

Storytime:
Having kids I know the wonder of experiencing them. Not to say that you, or others don't. Over the years, I've been working, my wife was always at home. Fortunate for us that she could be able to do that and fortunate that the kids got to have a parent always there, and two of us, outside of my work hours. Either case, my wife had her habits, reading the paper, watching the news. And she'd call me, email me, text me, stuff about these horrific things like: kids dying in hot cars because a parent left them, kids dying because they were abducted, or hit by a drunk driver, etc. That hits home, and always hits home. For a while I was very much like the "lah-dah-lah-dah!!!!" Hands over eyes and ears, "Do NOT tell me about this stuff!!!!!" I just couldn't take the horror. I'd imagine what the person went through. At some point I realized that part of this IS paying attention to the warnings, paying attention to the dangers and the stupidities, because even though we know "don't leave you kid, pet, anything, in a hot car" that lesson needs to be drilled in. Same thing for Springtime drownings. Wintertime thin ice accidents. Car accidents. Not that I want to know this stuff, but to me the reminder that life can be very fleeting does remind me of the fortunate situations I've had and maybe does teach me to be thoughtfully vigilant with regards to instructing my kids, not just when they were grade school age, but also now that they're adults. I realized that as solemn as it was, it was also part of my responsibilities as a parent to recognize the bad things in the world, the random things in the world, and understand that they can happen.

A friend in college who took Criminal Justice, took classes on the subject "When bad things happen to good people", because being in law enforcement, or a firefighter, or a paramedic, guess what? You see that all the time. It does not mean that those people are callous if they keep their head when they see atrocities, the best they can do is help.

So I don't know if you still get very upset with things like that. Don't know if these perspectives help, or are so out of bounds that you're not interested.

An added thought/concern/advice: Please do not persist in extending blame, responsibility, whatever against your's or her parents for something which happened 34+ years ago when you refer to a childhood romance where parents intervened and likely staunched it due to giving their disapproval, or doing something entirely simple as moving the family away. While I understand the reality of the outcome at the time, I personally am the type of person who does not believe in holding grudges about stuff like that, for long times.

@ rtmistler
Thanks...then there still is some of a "sapling" in me...you know, this sheds a different light on the reason I react that way...
Inclined to mark the thread as solved - because it is...I looked over that rim of that thing called my "box" and, see things both ways now... (possibly the better version of the song)

Do or do not, there is no try. Yoda.

Where is your sensitivity?

If you're bred a pro-life-extremist and yada, p

Edit: whoops the upside down "yada..." (implying circular motion (somehow in my mind)) turned to "p" (I guess like any circular argument pee-yew.?!)

(Paraphrasing the writers;) Yoda would also say let go of your loved ones as if they were already dead (we all die,) fear adds to that we create--THE DARK SIDE!

First, if you have suicidal thoughts, please call the suicide hotline ASAP.

Don't take the weight of the world on your shoulders. Each one of us has enough to deal with in our own lives, much less the lives of others. Yeah, it is unfortunate that some people rolled bad dice and were born into poverty and suffering. If you become rich enough or have money to spare, you can try to help them out, but the truth is much more is needed to get them out of poverty than money. Usually you need massive political reform in the country to do anything. Focus on making your own life easier, happier, better. Then, once you have everything set up and have a lot of money, you can share it and help others. IMO, that's the best way to help, much more so than doing community service yourself.

As for the future, nobody can predict it with accuracy. However, it can change quite quickly. I'll tell you what I'll do if it changes for the worse. I'll buy myself survival equipment and go off the grid. I would enjoy that actually. I feel much more stressed in the city than I do in a quiet forest. When I am very stressed, I just close my eyes and imagine myself in Austria, the forests, mountains, streams, green grass, sun shining, etc. It infuses me with positive energy. The hard concrete of the city drains it away.

Yeah, I hate TV. Nothing but bad news and crap TV shows and movies. I'll buy my movies from the store or netflix after reading the reviews.

For news, I use the internet, places like techdirt, UPI health news, threatpost, etc. I don't care about other news.