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Old 06-09-2014, 06:18 AM   #1
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ProtonMail


It sounds very interesting.

http://home.web.cern.ch/about/update...ail-encryption
 
Old 06-09-2014, 07:12 AM   #2
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Indeed - given the demise of services like lavabit, this is most welcome.
I'm more inclined to trust CERN than google/yahoo/microsoft ...
 
Old 06-09-2014, 09:27 AM   #3
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Indeed - given the demise of services like lavabit...
And Hushmail...
 
Old 06-09-2014, 09:38 AM   #4
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I think that they have a reasonable "business" model, but I forsee the additional need to provide clients for various operating systems and, especially, portable phones and tablets.

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... Then, there are the rest of us, law abiding private citizens who simply want control over our online data. We can either chose to live in a world where everybody is under surveillance, or a world where everybody (criminals included) have privacy. We feel that the right to privacy is a fundamental human right, and we are willing to fight and work towards protecting that right.
This is a very reasonable and important target. Even in the case of "paper mail," we have some expectation of semi-privacy when we put our messages into envelopes. In the case of "e-mail," however, we are being asked to transmit every message in-the-clear, and to assent to that message being kept in archive by a third-party (whose legal role should only be that of an agent) and used by that agent for its own analytical (and advertising) purposes without our knowledge or consent.

We routinely transmit sensitive web site data through encrypted channels (SSL, https), and we use VPN. But these are all temporal communications. We have no privacy for persistent communications. (Nor do we have any sort of means of authentication, hence "spoof" mail.)

The companies who have made their business out of eavesdropping will, of course, $$resist$$ $$it$$ $$mightily$$ and will be $$attentively$$ $$listened-to$$ for $$very$$ $$obvious$$ $$reasons,$$ but I still believe that the tide is at last beginning to turn. The information that we need to send using e-mail (SMTP) is simply too sensitive to permit "vast and arbitrary amounts of it" to be accumulated concerning Every Mortal On Earth.

Furthermore – it's not (just) that "any particular message" is or isn't too-sensitive, but that these vast databases that are being accumulated represent an unprecedented (and disastrous) social vulnerability of their own. If you can, essentially without effort, "know everything there is to know about everyone everywhere," and(!) if you are a private corporation, operating without legal protections and spreading your data to every foreign country where "the cheapest labor" can be obtained ... this is a vulnerability on the order of atomic weaponry. (And no, I don't just say that "for dramatic effect.")

The "millions of messages that pass through SMTP every day" should not be "effortlessly exploitable" by anyone and everyone in the chain between sender and recipient. Envelopes are required.

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Old 06-09-2014, 11:13 AM   #5
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And Hushmail...
Say what? They're still taking my money. Please elaborate.
 
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Say what? They're still taking my money. Please elaborate.
Okay, their "demise" was only of their public image, not of the company.

They turned decrypted emails over to law enforcement officers. The Wikipedia article on Hushmail has links.

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Old 06-09-2014, 11:30 AM   #7
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Okay, their "demise" was only of their public image, not of the company.

They turned decrypted emails over to law enforcement officers. The Wikipedia article on Hushmail has links.
Yes, it's true. I've switched on it after lavabit but I wasn't ever able to trust in Hushmail totally.

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Old 06-09-2014, 12:10 PM   #8
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Bastards.

Encrypted E-Mail Company Hushmail Spills to Feds
By Ryan Singel - 11.07.07

Oh well.
What once were vices are now virtues. eg: I've got nothing to hide.

I signed up for a demo at protonmail.ch anyway.
 
Old 06-09-2014, 12:44 PM   #9
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I'm much less concerned about "the Feds" knowing about something ... which, perhaps, they should know about ... than I am about private corporations knowing "everything," most of which they should not know about. I'm also profoundly concerned about the danger represented by the accumulation of this information ... the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. When you are able to know, for example, every single place that a person has been standing, 24/7/365, within ±7 feet, for the last three years ... that's not "marketing data" anymore, folks. Especially when you have that information for virtually every occupant of a major metropolitan city, simultaneously. When you know every message that any of those people has sent, and you have their address book, and so on ... again, for hundreds of millions of people at once ... that's not marketing data.

People do have an expectation of privacy with regards to their so-called private conversations ... which should be private, and which used to be, and which need to be again.

"National security" concerns should demand more protection (legal, cryptographic, and otherwise) for such data; not less. Any "nation" that you seek to "secure" consists of ... individuals.

For the first time in human history, those individuals are "individually addressable." And we don't know how safely to handle that. We are being "recklessly naïve" on a national and even an international level.

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